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Plymouth57 wrote:Hi Sparks! Very nicely done there! All the photos I had of the sick bay windows had the removeable (possibly modern) wooden and glass window frames in so that's what I put in too! Ooops! still, too late now!  Of course, even if they were Trafalgar period, they would have been one of the first things whipped out and sent down to the hold too! Just shows, when I started I hadn't realised I was doing a 'battle scene' Victory!  Incidently, the exact moment in time on my model is right in between two broadsides, that was lucky! And a very happy birthday for tomorrow!  Robin Thanks Robin, That IS lucky about the broadside timing  Regards Alan England expects that every man will do his duty.
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stevie_o wrote:Nice work on the windows, looking good Steve Cheers Steve. Regards Alan England expects that every man will do his duty.
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Nice work Alan Rgd Martyn Building ?
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Hi Alan. Really nice work on your gun port lids and windows Look forward to seeing more. Ian Current builds.Hachettes build the bismark,HMS Victory, HMS Hood.
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Martyn Ingram wrote: Nice work Alan Rgd Martyn Thanks for your comments Martyn. Regards Alan England expects that every man will do his duty.
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ian smith wrote:Hi Alan. Really nice work on your gun port lids and windows Look forward to seeing more. Ian Thanks Ian for your nice comments. Regards Alan England expects that every man will do his duty.
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Gandale wrote:Nicely done Sparks..... Regards Alan Sorry Alan, almost missed this post. Thanks for your nice comments mate. Regards Alan England expects that every man will do his duty.
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Hi all, Another little update on the gun port lid lanyards. Below is a pic of my "assembly" line producing the lengths of rigging cord encased in the heat shrink tubing.  Daunting to think that that is only just over half of what is needed  Next is a closer shot of the brass washers, I fitted them over the sleeving further back so the edges could be painted before moving them nearer the front.  Once painted and dry, they were glued into the holes drilled above the gun ports.   I have nearly completed all the lanyards now, but will be waiting on carrying on with the lids after a find on the internet. I was never that happy with the large moulded hole in the top face of the supplied Del Prado lids. You can see the raised part below the eyelets in the pic below.  Well, I have found a company in Germany that is producing PE parts to enhance the 1/100 Heller HMS Victory kit. Along with some other great parts they make, are gun port lid hinges.  With these I can file off those large blobs, reverse the lid and fit the new hinges on what would have been the inside of the lid which just has planking detail on it. I have also ordered a set of rigols for above the gun ports.  Although I fitted aftermarket rigols some years back, they are a bit big as they were for a 1/96 scale kit and despite being the correct shape, more importantly to me, they do not have the correct profile like the ones above. Its a pity these things weren't about 7 - 8 years ago  Doing this will probably require some repair work, but I can't resist it. Bye for now Regards Alan England expects that every man will do his duty.
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Hi Alan, some great micro work there and has given me ideas to work on so thanks.... keep up the great work M8, will be looking in on your progress... Regards Alan
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Hi Alan Love your work and the detail you are going in to. Regards Foz
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Gandale wrote:Hi Alan, some great micro work there and has given me ideas to work on so thanks.... keep up the great work M8, will be looking in on your progress... Regards Alan Thanks Alan, Its nice to know that some of my ideas might he help others with their builds. Regards Alan England expects that every man will do his duty.
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Foz wrote:Hi Alan Love your work and the detail you are going in to. Regards Foz Thanks for your nice comments Foz. Regards Alan England expects that every man will do his duty.
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Hi all, Its been a while since the last posting, not much happening with the ship itself as I am still waiting for the PE parts from Germany, they were not in stock and they are waiting delivery from manufacturer. So I decided to have a stab at something that's been on my mind for some years now, the ships boats. At the time of Trafalgar, Victory carried 6 boats, a 34ft launch, 32ft barge, 28ft pinnace and an 18ft cutter (jolly boat) that were stowed on the skid beams. Also 2 X 25ft cutters slung from davits, one either side of the poop deck. Unfortunately, Del Prado were a bit economical when it came to ships boats  , they did provide 2 cast metal boats for the davits that were good scale wise in length, but not really the correct shape for cutters as they did not taper very much at the stern. So over the years I have scoured the internet and model shops for kits of any type that would represent the ships boats, the longer cutters, barge and pinnace were not too problematic but finding something the correct shape and length for the launch and jolly boat seemed impossible. I have looked enviously at the boats supplied with the De Ag kit and if I were working on something near that scale I would gladly buy all the issues needed for them. Some years ago I heard that the ships boats supplied with the Revell U.S.S. Constitution (7 no less) could, with a little reworking, make suitable donor hulls for Victory's boats and a few months ago I managed to acquire said boats and they have been waiting ever since for me to do something with them. On first checking the sizes and shapes of the hulls I was able to set aside ones to represent the barge, pinnace and the 2 X 25ft cutters without alterations, but the launch needed some work as did the jolly boat. The hull for the launch was spot on for shape and width but too short in length, so I cut it in half amidships and inserted a section of styrene sheet to bring the overall length to 103.6mm (34ft at 1/100).   I hope to be able to loose the small bulge in the middle when fitting the top rail and/or thwarts. For the jolly boat I butchered 2 other boats and used bits from each to form the short dumpy shape required and again will broaden it slightly more in the centre when fitting the thwarts.  The interior detail will be scratch built from various materials, mostly Evergreen styrene of various sizes and PE gratings (when I get them), using drawings from Alan McGowan's "HMS Victory Her Construction, Career and Restoration " and various photos I have collected over the years. Below are a couple of shots of the bare hulls in their approximate positions on the skid beams,   and here are the two 25ft cutter hulls just sitting on the poop deck, as I haven't made the davits yet.  Although I will still make these two cutters, I will have to give some thought as to whether to fit them to the davits or not, as if I am going to depict Victory in battle mode they would not be on the davits but towed behind the ship, Take note Robin Regards Alan England expects that every man will do his duty.
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Lovely work Alan, am following your build with tremendous interest and loving what I see...... Regards Alan
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Hi Sparks! That's some lovely work coming along on those boats! I too have been thinking long and hard about the boats, I did buy a selection of different sized "Life boats" as they are called by Amati from CMB but was still undecided as, just as you point out, all the ships boats went over the side to be towed behind during action. In the end, as the details in the waist built up and when, (eventually), I make up the crew for that area, I decided it would be a shame to hide so much of it under the boats (which again, wouldn't have been there anyway!) that I've decided not to bother with them. The two cutters on the davits however, even though they shouldn't be there either, I am going to put on, not 100% accurate I know, but really just to show that she did carry boats there and to provide more interest to the stern area. It's a compromise of sorts, if we get rid of everything that was cleared for action, half of the ship would disappear (including all the stern cabin walls around the wheel I spent so much time on!!) I'm really looking forward to seeing how your boats take shape! Keep up the great work! Robin First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault Index for the Victory diary is on page 1
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Gandale wrote:Lovely work Alan, am following your build with tremendous interest and loving what I see...... Regards Alan Thanks for your comment Alan, much appreciated. OK, progress so far on the 34ft launch, decided to start on this one as it is the biggest and has more interior detail than the others, my theory is that once the launch is done the rest will seem easy But as its quite time consuming work, it will be nice to fall back on them when I want a change from the main ship. Below is the drawing of the launch from the aforementioned Alan McGowan book that I am taking most of the detail from.  Starting from the bottom up, so to speak, I marked out and fitted the ribs using 0.5 X 0.5mm styrene strips.  Then 0.5 X 1.5mm styrene for the duck boards.  Supports for the gratings and thwarts.  Then finally, for now, the top rail that forms the openings for the oars, not sure if they're still called rowlocks in that form NOTE: I originally wrote r@ll@cks , which is still a commonly used term in the boating world, but when I previewed the post, I assume, the swear word filter had picked it up and replaced it with " dandilion and burdock " , which amused me, especially as this is a forum dealing with a nautical subject.  As I'm still waiting for the small PE gratings and don't want to make or fit the thwarts until the grating are in place, I decided to give it a coat of paint.  The photo below is one I took of the launch, from the deck of Victory, seems I have about the right colour for the brown parts but a lot more yellow ochre inside than I thought. Also notice that it has half the number of ribs than the drawing I worked from, but I do know that the boats on Victory now are not the originals as they sustained "substantial damage" during the battle of Trafalgar. While I'm waiting for parts I will probably add ribs and duck boards to some of the other boats.  More soon (I hope) Regards Alan England expects that every man will do his duty.
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Plymouth57 wrote:Hi Sparks! That's some lovely work coming along on those boats! I too have been thinking long and hard about the boats, I did buy a selection of different sized "Life boats" as they are called by Amati from CMB but was still undecided as, just as you point out, all the ships boats went over the side to be towed behind during action. In the end, as the details in the waist built up and when, (eventually), I make up the crew for that area, I decided it would be a shame to hide so much of it under the boats (which again, wouldn't have been there anyway!) that I've decided not to bother with them. The two cutters on the davits however, even though they shouldn't be there either, I am going to put on, not 100% accurate I know, but really just to show that she did carry boats there and to provide more interest to the stern area. It's a compromise of sorts, if we get rid of everything that was cleared for action, half of the ship would disappear (including all the stern cabin walls around the wheel I spent so much time on!!) I'm really looking forward to seeing how your boats take shape! Keep up the great work! Robin Thanks Robin, much appreciated. Me too, I think I must have one of each of the Amati and Mantua boats. Sorry to be in disagreement again, but the boats on the skid beams were in place during battle, only the two cutters on the davits would have been towed behind. As I have mentioned a couple of times, I will try to make the boats on the skid beams removable, but time, and rigging , will tell Regards Alan England expects that every man will do his duty.
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Lovely work Alan, love the boats Steve
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Hi Alan. Really fantastic work on your boats. Look forward to seeing more ian Current builds.Hachettes build the bismark,HMS Victory, HMS Hood.
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Nice bit of scratch building, boat looks great
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