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Cheers Colin, you have supplied us with plenty to digest. I hope that the deck planking supplied with this build will have a decent grain to it. I have made a few mistakes with wood stains and finishing thereof before..I intend to not make those mistakes on the Victory, so some research is needed on the actual decking and materials needed to make it look as near as that when it was scoured with holystones? Please keep the much needed informative ideas coming mate, very intuitive in deed.. Current Builds: Deagostini HMS Victory: Deagostini HMS Sovereign of the seas. Completed Builds: Del Prado: HMAS Bounty: Hachette: RMS Titanic: Del Prado: Cutty Sark...
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Many thanks for this gold mine of information. The fact that many of you take the time to share this with us first timers is greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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Nice one Colin, Personally I like to use the thread method, I have found in the past that markers can bleed, and the garphite from a pencil can get everywhere, as for tree nails, Good old cocktail sticks, usually do the trick! Happy Building, Russ On the workbench: My Victory Build Diary - Victory Cross Section Build Diary - Black Pearl Build DiaryUnder the Bench: Millenium Falcon, Black Pearl x 2, Coral Victory Cross Section, De Lorean
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Here is a thread from MSW, he is doing the Jotika Victory, see another way of doing the decks - http://modelshipworld.co...opic.php?p=156531#156531
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I just wanna open a discussion here about the scale of the width of planks on the average kit or even these part-works, 5mm is pretty standard, but we have an opportunity here, after looking at the 100's of models on the net and with some having scale figures you have to wonder the scale of the planks do look oversized.
Plus, as mentioned in the previous post link regarding tree-nails, would you actually see them at that scale?
I do like the ideas of making the planks for the decks a little smaller, but with what the kit will offer it would mean cutting them down to at least half the size if I wanted to use only what is supplied, any bigger or shorter would mean I would not have enough.
To me half width planks at 2.5mm looks too small, or maybe not? I've considered the use of wood to give the effect I would like and Tanganyka Strip's offer's the best colour after staining, as seen on my Launch build, but I was looking at the 3mm strips available at Cornwall Model boats, this would mean no cutting strips down.
I'm just looking at options here, and would very much like you thoughts, the main problem here is again spending money on something that is expensive on its own but its an options and as said before an opportunity.
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Hi Colin, Iv'e been looking a tanganyka strip also as the Jotika victory comes with it as standard for the decks. With my workings out. HMS Surprise first deck is 52 of 1x5mm 500mm strips. So 52 x 5 x 500 = 130000.
So to use say 3mm Tanganyka strips would be 130000 divide by 3 = 43.3 lengths. These are 1x3mm x approx 1000mm
so to round off to 45 would cost £9.53. @.22p a strip.
That wouldn't be that bad really for a better finish. I might do it on both the Surprise and Victory..On the bench 1/350 Revell Tirpitz Platinum Edition (Pontos PE and Wooden deck) plus extra Eduard PE set and extra MK1 door sets.
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Hi Colin
I have to agree with Jack we need to work out our own solutions and a lot of the fascination is watching different builds develop.
Checking with the Anatomy of Nelson's Ships, Nepean Longridge suggests that a typical plank would be 12" wide which to our scale works out at about 3.6 mm so the Cornwall Boats planks would be closer BUT I have committed to this kit and will continue with 5mm planks assuming that is what we get. Of course, I am going to paint my model and HOPEFULLY copper the bottom with the materials promised by DeAgostini so the width of the planks is less critical for me.
Mike T
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Quote:we are all paying good money for a 1/84 scale model which has been designed by experts etc so surely the bits we recieve are going to do the job scale wise (i hope) I couldn't agree more Budgie, just thinking aloud:) Mike, well done for working that out, maths this time on night is a non starter.. Your all correct about personal choice, I don't feel the need to get historical accurate for my build, I know what I want to see in 2 years, and this whole hobby just fascinates me, and standing and looking at a scale model of these wooden ships just amazes me, interesting ideas thought, thanks for at least replying.
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I have been thinking of emulating the tar with pva glue waterd down with some black paint. what do poeple think? would it work? “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.” -Mark Twain
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[quote=Zeptrader]Here is a thread from MSW, he is doing the Jotika Victory, see another way of doing the decks - http://modelshipworld.co...pic.php?p=156531#156531[/quote] I tell you what. That is one fine looking ship. Must go rob a bank and get myself one. Dave H
Current builds :- Hachette 1/16 Tiger Tank H.M.S Victory, Santisima Trinidad (Section), 1/8 scale Aston Martin DB5, 1/8 scale McLaren, YNWA
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jase wrote:I have been thinking of emulating the tar with pva glue waterd down with some black paint. what do poeple think? would it work? Got to be worth a try either way Jase, ain't it? ee oo dares wins
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getting back to caulking zep,you did'nt explain how you accieved the stagger?wiether it be 3 or 4 stagger.if you don't mind zep. I could explain to the newbies. first work out length of floorboard, divide it into 4 equal parts for 3/1 and 5 equal parts for 4/1 stagger.the next bit you can do ,divde up the deck like zep did in his pics,decide which method of caulking,and stagger each length by one section at a time. hope that makes sense, getting late,tired, i wanna go to bed.night all. Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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