Hi Mike,

I wait in anticipation and with bated breath! I like you was expecting the copper bottom to be supplied, watch the video snd the advert, its shown on them both!

Will this prove to be the straw that broke the camel's back?

This is from admin!!!! :-




Yes you can buy the kit in one go elsewhere, however the De Agostini version offers you:

1. Much more detailed, step-by-step model instructions. The instructions have been completely re-written and are in a lot more detail than the original. This is particularly useful to those modellers who are not "expert" at this level of kit. Every single stage has very detailed instructions. We have photographed every step which, for anyone who has followed full kit instructions (usually supplied as abbreviated text-only steps with minimal diagrams in up to 8 languages on a single page) is a very valuable tool for getting the best out of the kit and building the best possible version of the Victory

2. We are offering the copper plating for the hull which is not available in the base kit

3. We are offering many crew members, including the principle characters such as Nelson. We are currently planning for them to be in metal. Again, these are not available in the base kit.

4. In addition to instructions, the magazine will contain articles about Nelson, The Victory and other ships of the era. It will also have articles about model ships of this era. A good read basically!

5. You can buy it in weekly installments; you do not have to shell out for the whole lot in one go.

6. The model is supplied in parts as you need them, therefore you do not need to store the complete box of parts (which is quite sizeable and a problem for many people we have spoken to). This of course allows us to charge on a weekly basis rather than all up front.

7. By launching this and similar products it allows us to fund a comunity website such as this, which we hope to grow further. It has things like expert help if you get stuck during the build of our models (which model shops don't have). We also have an open website policy. Things do go wrong in life and we see the website as a valuable tool to sort out problems and questions from our customers when they arise (like your question here - its a good question, here is our response and now people can make an informed decision on what they want to do)


8. Overall, on the actual kit, we have modified the Artesania Kit so that buyers of the partwork have more options about the finish they want. The kit can be left unpainted to show off the natural hard- and softwood finish, it can be painted with Trafalgar colours, you can choose to add a copper bottom, there is an optional cut-away section and, finally, figures can be added to create a battle scene diorama.
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I also rang the helpline and was told that the copper plating and figures and any other options were to be included in the price of the issues, not sure if that means buying extra issues or not, but it would be nice to know!!!!

even tho i am hoping to do my build unpainted i was still under the impression we would get the coppering

although we are told the coppering is for the timeline of the painted version i still would have liked to see what the coppering would look like on my model for 2 reasons
1 it could hide untideness of hull planking at bottom (acting as a 2nd planking)
2 its my model & i might like the way it looks
anyway who's to say the painting was done before the coppering
imagine all those guys busy down below with "good old jack" swinging above u with a pot of paint health & safety would have a field day
it would be nice to get this cleared up
are we or aren't we getting the copper as per subscription or will it be an extra that will cost how much
am sure this will influence people on continuing with the build

The other thing that seems a rip off to me is sending like 2 rib section at a time.
They could easily send more than that.
I also note they recon every thing is acurate

Purple anchor cable (also scale too narrow).
Anchor ring to small
Black grid duck boards in the cutter (should be planked).
White thwarts & deck planking in the cutter (should be plain wood)
Carronade that stands far to high due to the crappy brass trunion supllied.
ring missing from carronade pumal
Ring bolts not supplied with the cannons due to being to small (got some from cornwall instead).
Thats for starters

Hope I'm not speaking out of turn guys as I'm totaly new to this hobby. But I am old enough to smell Wilderbeast droppings

Bob

I totally agree, with much that has been said here and with the amount of money that we have to shell out for this model, I expect all the parts that the original ship has (within reason that is)!! The copper bottom is a highly visible part of Victory and should be included at no extra cost, as this is reported as a complete build, then I expect everything that implies

I'm sorry but I cannot believe you lot!!!, I been visiting the site daily since day one of my subscription which was issue two, and the longer the subscription goes on the more you lot seem to want, and it's starting to wreak of greed!
Yes the Kit will cost us around £700 but that's about right for this scale model of the Victory, just have a look about the web for a better version that includes everything some of you have been asking for, including copper plating at a cheaper or similar price! I was under the impression that the copper would be optional and could be purchased from DeAgostini, like the paints.
We are also getting a magazine, which in my opinion covers some great history of the ship and all associated with her, then we get an insight to other period ships, with some great images of other models. We also get a fully illustrated instruction section, one of the best I have seen to help us build the model, you wont get that with an off the shelf purchase, and they have also created this site for us to use and share our build ideas etc.
I just cant get over the fact that each week there is someone asking for more, and the more we get the more we ask for? and I believe that if this trend carries on, it wont be worth DeAgostini carrying on this publication, then we all loose out!

Sorry for my rant!

Hi Lonestar,
While i can appreciate what you are saying, i think that the problem lies with our expectations from this build. We are paying well over £700 for this version of Victory, and yes i know that we get the mag,the 'freebies',this excellent forum,monthly payments, etc...but for £680 we can buy the Caldercraft version, which IS double planked, comes WITH copper planking. http://www.cornwallmodel...rcraft_hms_victory.html

Everyone must make their own decision as to the value of this model.

Hi Mike! and all my Shipmates!

Well I phoned custumer services about a change to my card detail and while I had them on the phone I asked about the hull copper plates. I was told that we would be informed when we get to that point in the build and would have the option to buy the copper, but no more details than that.
We know we will have to pay for extra's but what will be classed as extra's and how much!.

While I was on the web I found this sit for a 1:72 scale HMS Victory Length: 1385mm, Beam 525mm, Height 940mm cost £724.95. Double plank on bulkhead construction in lime and walnut, complete with pre-cut gunport strips ~ no more need to tediously mark on and cut out the gunports yourself; 5 different sizes of turned brass cannons; Carronades; 8 sheets of brass etched components; 3 different profiled brass rails; CNC cut walnut and ply components, profiled where necessary; All new scale turned wood belaying pins, support pillars and staircase balusters; All necessary blocks and black / natural hemp for rigging; All 4 ships boats in authentic plank on bulkhead construction; All new scale copper plates.

In the parts list I found that this kit has (2600 copper plate, 44 guns & 58 dummy guns).
Link to this sit and Manuals for hull, rigging and parts list.

Sold at ShipWright Shop.

http://europe.shipwright...lmd=0.15888483532400333

Manuals.
http://www.jotika-ltd.co...768/Manuals_Victory.htm

Only wished I found it earlier.

As I said