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Coppering Victory's Hull Options
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#81 Posted : 16 July 2010 07:32:32

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Here, here. There is a long long way to go yet. 120 issues = 2+years!
i dont know what weapons will be used in ww3 but ww4 will be sticks and stones.
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#82 Posted : 17 July 2010 10:13:06

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Bored Hi guys & gals hope nobody minds me putting my tuppence worth in bout riveting the copper bands

Mellow 1st i would find what the rivet pattern is
is it just a straight line of single nail heads in which case a pounce wheel will be fine
quote from mag "disadvantage of this method is whilst it simulates the heads nicely it is unlikely to produce an authentic pattern of rivets in exactly the right place"

BigGrin A technique that appears more tedious than it really is consists of forming the rivet heads from white glue dispensed from a blunted disposable hypodermic-needle
the merest suggestion of a blob with a flattish head is all that is required

Quarter fill a new syringe from the top before blunting the needle
over filling leaves the plunger protruding & makes the tool awkward to use

a gentle bend in the needle makes it easier to apply the blobs but resist refilling as this will produce an air pocket
Any mistakes or innaccuracies can be easily wiped off & corrected during the few minutes it takes for the glue to harden

LOL Anyway just food for thought as it is along way off yet
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#83 Posted : 17 July 2010 11:36:42

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@ Budgie:

3,000 + plates, lets say 20 or so rivets (meticulously applied blobs of glue) per plate

Blink

= A resounding 'stuffthatforagameofsoldiers'

Laugh LOL

I will both applaud wildly (and question the sanity of) the person who goes that route.

Bedlam awaits.

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#84 Posted : 17 July 2010 11:46:06

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My question is, at this scale would you be able to see the rivets anyway?Blink Coz I for one will not be attempting the rivets!!!BigGrin Patient yes, but not that patient!!LOL BigGrin LOL
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#85 Posted : 17 July 2010 12:15:15

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Blink OMG if anyone is taking the single rivet at a time route, then you have earned my respect for dedication!
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#86 Posted : 17 July 2010 14:03:33

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Capt Stedders wrote:
@ Budgie:

3,000 + plates, lets say 20 or so rivets (meticulously applied blobs of glue) per plate

Blink

= A resounding 'stuffthatforagameofsoldiers'

Laugh LOL

I will both applaud wildly (and question the sanity of) the person who goes that route.

Bedlam awaits.


I think I will wait and see how the build goes before I commit myself to rivets
Only got room for one build,
but might try and sneek in a small one later
Have snuck in the Endevour
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#87 Posted : 17 July 2010 14:50:02

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Malcolm wrote:
Capt Stedders wrote:
@ Budgie:

3,000 + plates, lets say 20 or so rivets (meticulously applied blobs of glue) per plate

Blink

= A resounding 'stuffthatforagameofsoldiers'

Laugh LOL

I will both applaud wildly (and question the sanity of) the person who goes that route.

Bedlam awaits.


I think I will wait and see how the build goes before I commit myself to rivets



I'm sticking with the pin wheel option......if i went for the rivet by rivet option ...i'd be in the funny farm within a week....LOL
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#88 Posted : 17 July 2010 15:35:05

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#89 Posted : 17 July 2010 15:57:17

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Drool Drool Drool Individual rivetsDrool Drool Drool

I had a right *"%£^)*&%$ cheesing the rope down in the launchCursing

Good luck mate BigGrin

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This may help lads, hard to see rivets, i get better pics next time.

ferret

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#91 Posted : 17 July 2010 16:30:54

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I think, looking at your snap, as long as we get the "laid brick" type effect all should be tickity boo.
One thing I am leening even more towards giving mine the verdigris effectUnsure

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#92 Posted : 17 July 2010 18:33:37

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Blushing like i said food for thought ideas that can be expanded

Flapper just as well didn't bring "The Golden Rivet" into conversation
Crying must be loosin' my touch

Confused Confused anyhoos while i am here could any one tell me if sanding sealer is waterproof as doesn't say on the tin
thanks in advance
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#93 Posted : 17 July 2010 18:44:57

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BigGrin i wonder how many people are going to ask about the golden rivet lol
and yes before you ask i was sent down to the engine room to ask chief engineer if i could see it when i was 17 yr old grease monkey lucky for me i didnt find it
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#94 Posted : 17 July 2010 19:49:37

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LOL Hi Alan while u were down there did u get some fuses for the deadlights?LOL

Bored reason i require answer bout sealer (1 reason gave up victory no room in house kids not moving out stubborn sods will try again in a couple of years when they start high school) parts for Yamato in shed well its got to go in water eventualy

birds nick roofing felt for nests (why do i bother employing a cat)

torrential rain like a monsoon last nite so bits got wet luckily frame 8 which i have 2 off (which has been resolved by CS/Admin hopefully) top layer of plywood coming away (obviosly not marine ply)
so gave all wooden parts a liberal coating of sand sealer (2 coats as i love the smell reminds me off days gone by prob is can't remember why?)

Flapper Ah well one more coat & it will all come backFlapper
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I was sent down aft to the "Chipy" for the last postBlushing
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#96 Posted : 18 July 2010 03:49:05

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I really think this thread has run its course !!!!

Nice one Mike Bored
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#97 Posted : 18 July 2010 09:44:29

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RussG wrote:
I really think this thread has run its course !!!!

Nice one Mike Bored


See my reply to your other recent post Mad

If people want to continue a thread let them! Cool

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#98 Posted : 18 July 2010 10:43:49

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When we took out out our subscriptions for this build we must all have been aware that there would be parts of the build we would have to do ourselves if we wanted the Victory to be totally accurate. To my mind, the purists of you should not be building a kit but researching the vessel yourselves and doing everything accurately. A kit being a kit has to cover all skills so give D'agostini a break and go with the flow. I'm sure they're open to suggestions for improvement and they could probably be incorporated in the build but it would almost certainly mean extra issues and cost.
I for one will suck it and see as Tiswas said and if the build isn't up to the mark I won't subscribe to any other D'Agostini builds. Thats it in a nutshell, they will do their best to accommodate us in the hope we all come back for the next project.Mellow
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#99 Posted : 18 July 2010 11:05:18

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I second ginians sentiments,let us all be more constructive and less critical.
This is my first ever ship build and I am still enjoying the challenge, so much so I am still fiddling with the launch as I want it to look as good as possible.
Trouble is every time I think I have cracked it someone post a better idea and I have to try to copy and improve mine. This is a great learning curve for me especially as my old woodwork teacher back in the 1950s told me I could not make firewood.
Everybody enjoy you builds
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#100 Posted : 18 July 2010 11:26:34

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CMB wrote:
I second ginians sentiments,let us all be more constructive and less critical.
This is my first ever ship build and I am still enjoying the challenge, so much so I am still fiddling with the launch as I want it to look as good as possible.
Trouble is every time I think I have cracked it someone post a better idea and I have to try to copy and improve mine. This is a great learning curve for me especially as my old woodwork teacher back in the 1950s told me I could not make firewood.
Everybody enjoy you builds


Reminds me of when I was at school. All the boys did woodwork in the first year. We were then given a choice of continuing with woodwork or doing metalwork. My woodwork master said 'Turpin your choice is ... do metalwork!!' I'm glad he did, got to use blacksmith's forge, hammers and all sorts of dangerous kit, before settling down to do 'O' levels. BigGrin

On a serious note, please don't confuse constructive ideas for 'improvements' with being critical of the kit. Without the kit I certainly would never have taken on Victory from scratch .. my limited modelling experience is with kits. The enjoyment for me so far has been the sharing of ideas in order to extend the kit with bits of scratch building. I am interested in the history of the Georgian Navy and naturally I am looking towards historical accuracy as far as my capabilities allow.

You can make up your own minds regarding how far you want to take things.

100 posts ago on this thread(!) I merely raised a question to seek clarification regarding the coppering and brought a whole load of unnecessary comments down on my head, regarding moaning etc. That was far from the truth.

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