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hi george,good progress so far, just a slight inquiry, is the false keel in line? the last two ribs at the stern end look out of alignment,could be camera angle,but just check.  Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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 Found it in the formal build diary somewhere after issue 11. Snip toll came in useful bb1949 attached the following image(s):
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karl1113 wrote:hi george,good progress so far, just a slight inquiry, is the false keel in line? the last two ribs at the stern end look out of alignment,could be camera angle,but just check. Hi karl, Re false keel what you are seeing is the recess hole from balsa inserts next to keel making dark shadow and looks line off centre. If you check some of my earlier pics from higher angle you'll see it is straight. Saw the same thing myself in pic burt checking shows still ok. Pic below.   Regards George1 Building HMS SOTS
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bb1949 wrote: Found it in the formal build diary somewhere after issue 11. Snip toll came in useful Thanks bb1949  Will sand away with mini grinding wheel when next rib frame comes. Regards George1 Building HMS SOTS
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Hi bb1949 Have now sanded braces to shape for next rib. Used a Dremel sanding head. Not what you'd call easy. Would have been if loose and not stuck in place. However it really seemed stupid to have to go to that trouble if we were told earlier could have cut to shape.   Regards George1 Building HMS SOTS
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Yes totally agree but there is the element of fun working it out amongst friends too! This is what you did for me! thank you friend!
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bb1949 wrote:Yes totally agree but there is the element of fun working it out amongst friends too! This is what you did for me! thank you friend!
Hi bb1949 You're welcome. However, always double check anything I might come up with as logic doesn't always prove true. As we both now know regarding my original thoughts of curvature problems only to find next frame to come in future did not fit to bottom of keel as expected. Regards George1 Building HMS SOTS
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Hi George, Am I missing something here. What rib are you sanding back. I put all my together and everything fits like a glove. Regards
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Hi Ted the one you need to sand is the brace that stiffens the keel and transom Hope this helps Rgd Martyn Building ?
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Tanna Ted wrote:Hi George,
Am I missing something here. What rib are you sanding back. I put all my together and everything fits like a glove. Hi Ted It's not the rib frame it's the brace pieces over join in issue 7. The next rib frame to come in later issues doesn't go to bottom of the false keel. It ends some 1 plus inches up from bottom. If you look back above my post you'll see where I've sanded the braces to rough shape in readiness. I'll be doing a full balsa infill later after first decking so I have sanded back a little more than required at front of brace to cover with balsa which I'll then shape to curvature of the rib frames. Hope that helps. Hi Martyn. You've used the correct wording keel and transom. I'm just explaining in absolute beginner's language from me not knowing identity names.  Regards George1 Building HMS SOTS
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Hi George I too have completed up to Issue 7 and I am confused as to why you cut away part of the brace plate at the keel join. Is it really the case that Bulkhead #26 does not reach the bottom of the false keel? How does this impact planking installation? Will the planking not continue to the end of the false keel - piece #23? Hope Mr T and the others read this and can offer some assistance as I have glued the brace plates in place. I only became aware of this forum a couple of days ago so have got this far without assistance!! LoL as they say... 
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John Passmore wrote:Hi George I too have completed up to Issue 7 and I am confused as to why you cut away part of the brace plate at the keel join. Is it really the case that Bulkhead #26 does not reach the bottom of the false keel? How does this impact planking installation? Will the planking not continue to the end of the false keel - piece #23? Hope Mr T and the others read this and can offer some assistance as I have glued the brace plates in place. I only became aware of this forum a couple of days ago so have got this far without assistance!! LoL as they say... Hi John If you look at post 82 from bb1949 this page you'll get a better idea of the next rib frame finishing some 1 inch plus above the bottom of keel. The one after even higher. Yes the planking will go to the end of the keel but there is a curvature down till it reaches what you may call the bottom flat section. If the braces were left as is then you would get a hump that the planking would have to go over if those braces are not sanded as shown in bb1949's number 82 post. In later issues you will be shown to sand away part of the braces over join as shown in bb1949's post. Look at issues 16 to 20 Tommick's Official Build Diary. We agree that it would have been easier to do before gluing the brace pieces over the join. Hope this helps. Regards George1 Building HMS SOTS
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Thanks George
Pity I wasn't aware of this sooner. I don't have any power tools, I'll have to figure a way to trim it.
On another topic, how do you get photos on to your posts? I ticked the attachment box and nothing happened.
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John Passmore wrote:Thanks George
Pity I wasn't aware of this sooner. I don't have any power tools, I'll have to figure a way to trim it.
On another topic, how do you get photos on to your posts? I ticked the attachment box and nothing happened. Go to Tommick's notes top of Discussions and you'll find out how. There is a post there. Or you can do like I do and take straight from Photobucket by copying IMG at bottom of photos and posting direct' Hope that helps. Regards George1 PS Went looking for you but no longer can find. Perhaps someone else knows where those instructions have gone. It's there under Forum in, "Help I Have A Question" Building HMS SOTS
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Hi George, coming along very nicely so well done.... You are correct to fair the bracing piece, this is to ensure you have a smooth flow around that section when it comes to planking. An awkward process but it is needed.... .. Keep up the good work, will be following your progress. Regards Alan
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George, there is a method behind the madness of fairing this part above. You need to dry fit the last rib #27 and gauge the profile with a bamboo plank to get the correct fairing line. It is essential that the plank sits tight and smooth at this section to get a smooth profile. It is rather difficult to fair this piece after #27 has been glued in place. "Rather try and fail than had failed to try".Sovereign of the Seas Model Space forum: Marcel's build
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Gandale wrote:Hi George, coming along very nicely so well done.... You are correct to fair the bracing piece, this is to ensure you have a smooth flow around that section when it comes to planking. An awkward process but it is needed.... .. Keep up the good work, will be following your progress. Regards Alan Hi Alan Thanks for your comments they are appreciated. As a Newbie I've got to be a little careful though with any advice I give regarding the build as I don't want to lead anyone astray. By the way I've been looking at your build and if I can end up anywhere near the quality you have I'll be more than delighted. Fantastic job. Regards George1 Building HMS SOTS
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jonny7england wrote:Hello there George...Coming along really nice and I wish that I had known about the fairing of the bracing in advance...would have saved a lot of headaches than trying to fare them with all ribs are in place!!...Well done!!   Hi johnny7england Thanks for your comments, Very much appreciated. Yes I agree it would have been far easier if known regards the fairing to cut to shape while loose. I'm glad with bb1949's post I caught it in time prior to ribs glued. I've left them dry for moment till first decking. Regards George1 Building HMS SOTS
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Marcel wrote: George, there is a method behind the madness of fairing this part above. You need to dry fit the last rib #27 and gauge the profile with a bamboo plank to get the correct fairing line. It is essential that the plank sits tight and smooth at this section to get a smooth profile. It is rather difficult to fair this piece after #27 has been glued in place. Hi Marcel. Appreciate greatly your input. I can see the stern is complex and I'll be looking for any help I can get at that stage. It feels as if I'm going to be entering the ring against a powerful foe looking at the build regarding planking. I'll either win or lose. Regards George1 Building HMS SOTS
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