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Issue 8 Row Boat. Found some rib frames not fitting slots. About 50/50 Had to adjust. All rib frames and bow 90 degrees just distortion photo. Stern is on purposeful angle. Taken as far as issue's instructions. I might just cheat and look at issue where planking starts on row boat and do some seeing the planks are there.    Regards George1 Building HMS SOTS
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First plank on. Will leave now for further instructions. Not as easy as looks. Used super glue so becomes hard not to stick fingers as well.  But turned out ok.  Regards George Building HMS SOTS
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Hi peoples. My Admiralty paints arrived today from Float A Boat. The four missing colours on order. Will send ASAP. If you wish to know more or want to order paints the contact details for Float A Boat are on page 4, post 71, this thread. Also list of original water based paints you require for Sots. Looking at some of the long time member's builds there may be other paints and stains other than Admiralty you'll want and those members can advise. Regards George1 Building HMS SOTS
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Hi George. Your skiff looks like it is off to a good start and like you I will be taking some sneak previews. I take it the planks are so fine they flex easily and the grain looks easy to work, so the planks can be shaped to fit proportionally. I am not aware of the instructions for the planking so what I am saying could be irrelevant in other words I think it is a wise move to read on ahead at this stage to see what method of planking is being promoted. As for me I may not have much chance to work on the boat this weekend as lots of family matters and work commitments but I may be able to get to doing something on Sunday night. Brex
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Also just a bit worried about using superglue but this is a personal preference. I prefer to use RTA furniture glue and 3M spray adhesive. These do not dry as quickly as superglue but are more flexible in the bond. It also means I need to keep things in place and make sure the planks are shaped first. My results with superglue is mixed as I find timber is porous and the super glue soaks in but doesn't necessarily bond. Then when I go to paint it or use a clear the glaze from the superglue does detract from the job. The 3M adhesive works well and is cleaned up with turps. But always ready to try new things for a better result.
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Hi Brex You'll find the planking very thin. Needs to be as when sticking to rib frames you need quite a twist on plank after sticking one end to the bow then straightening to take down along the rib frames to the rear. Especialy the bottom two planks which I have now also done. Those two are difficult. I admit super glue is messy and hard not to run further than required however it does do the job on these planks. It does stay on outer and not soaking up. Never hold if normal glues used as too long to dry before being able to run down rib frames. Could perhaps pin and leave but no nails/pins yet in issue. I can see some filler will be required in odd spots. I will do some cleaning up later with turps as it should remove super glue I believe. If not nail polish remover perhaps if better half allows? Regards George Building HMS SOTS
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hi george,I use superglue gel,it is thick and does not run as easily,also some filling qualities,it does not cure as quick either, some practice required to get used to it. about 15 sec. for it to grab,which gives you time to adjust. hope this helps you. k. Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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Hi George, looks like you have gotten off to a great start on the launch..... take your time with it, it gives you a good grounding for planking the main ship but will also say I found planking the main ship easier.....  .. Keep up the great work, will be following..... Regards Alan
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karl1113 wrote:hi george,I use superglue gel,it is thick and does not run as easily,also some filling qualities,it does not cure as quick either, some practice required to get used to it. about 15 sec. for it to grab,which gives you time to adjust. hope this helps you. k. Hi karl Thanks for your input. It is greatly appreciated. I will look to get super glue gel as recommended. Current super glue too runny and even when try to apply with brush it still runs everywhere. Then brush stuffed as it goes off. Regards George Building HMS SOTS
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Gandale wrote:Hi George, looks like you have gotten off to a great start on the launch..... take your time with it, it gives you a good grounding for planking the main ship but will also say I found planking the main ship easier..... .. Keep up the great work, will be following..... Regards Alan Hi Alan. Thanks for comments and input. Yes I can appreciate the row boat being difficult as I've already found out. Stern worries me a bit as looking to when all cut from base the angle section looks to be interfering with stern piece as glued to it regarding outer shape line now below angle piece inside. Maybe shouldn't have been glued.  Regards George Building HMS SOTS
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this may be of help. http://forum.model-space...posts&t=472&p=4
http://forum.model-space....aspx?g=posts&t=1031Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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I use super glue gel on the end of the planks and PVA in between. Previous builds Bounty, Cutty Sark, Red Baron Triplane, Bismark,Titanic,Endeavour http://jockspage.webs.com/
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Hi George
I see you're going along like a train.
Everything's looking really good.
I picked up Issue 8 last Thursday and I won't start that yet as I've decided to infill the bow sections with balsa. I went to Stanbridges in Perth on Thursday to get some basic tools as per Issue 8 and when I asked for a razor saw all I got was blank looks. I explained the saw that I've seen on this forum and they came up with a little toy one. It has only a 15mm deep cut and is 120mm long. I cut as much as possible of the balsa off (which wasn't much because of the limited cutting depth) and used 40 grit garnet paper to get the rest off. I created my own snow storm in the garage. I'll attach pics of the infill in my blog when I've finished it.
Thanks for the info re Admiralty paints. I'll be ordering them this week.
Regards
JohnP
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George1 wrote:Gandale wrote:Hi George, looks like you have gotten off to a great start on the launch..... take your time with it, it gives you a good grounding for planking the main ship but will also say I found planking the main ship easier..... .. Keep up the great work, will be following..... Regards Alan Hi Alan. Thanks for comments and input. Yes I can appreciate the row boat being difficult as I've already found out. Stern worries me a bit as looking to when all cut from base the angle section looks to be interfering with stern piece as glued to it regarding outer shape line now below angle piece inside. Maybe shouldn't have been glued. Regards George Hi George, from what I can see so far everything looks fine.... can you show a photo of the problem you are referring too..... Keep up the good work.... Regards Alan
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Hi George I like your start too! I forgot about the Superglue gel and I will try that. Right now my first plank is soaking in water so I can work it with a steam iron to get the shape I want and try the gel.
Is it possible to post a photo of the stern or have you already done so. I have had difficulty in the past (two) efforts visualizing how the stern should look but it seems to come together.
In the meantime I have put the frame together and I am about to study the photo of the bow to see if I can add some balsa before placing the initial plank.
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George1 wrote:John Passmore wrote:Hi George I too have completed up to Issue 7 and I am confused as to why you cut away part of the brace plate at the keel join. Is it really the case that Bulkhead #26 does not reach the bottom of the false keel? How does this impact planking installation? Will the planking not continue to the end of the false keel - piece #23? Hope Mr T and the others read this and can offer some assistance as I have glued the brace plates in place. I only became aware of this forum a couple of days ago so have got this far without assistance!! LoL as they say... Hi John If you look at post 82 from bb1949 this page you'll get a better idea of the next rib frame finishing some 1 inch plus above the bottom of keel. The one after even higher. Yes the planking will go to the end of the keel but there is a curvature down till it reaches what you may call the bottom flat section. If the braces were left as is then you would get a hump that the planking would have to go over if those braces are not sanded as shown in bb1949's number 82 post. In later issues you will be shown to sand away part of the braces over join as shown in bb1949's post. Look at issues 16 to 20 Tommick's Official Build Diary. We agree that it would have been easier to do before gluing the brace pieces over the join. Hope this helps. Regards George1 G,day George I managed to cut the piece away both sides using my little toy razor saw to carefully cut down flush with the keel then VERY carefully prised off with a sharp chisel. It worked a treat as you can see from the pic. Now I'm wondering if the cut edge should be champfered for a smooth transition into the keel. Any ideas would be most welcome. Regards JohnP John Passmore attached the following image(s):
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I beveled mine as the planking follows this curve. Previous builds Bounty, Cutty Sark, Red Baron Triplane, Bismark,Titanic,Endeavour http://jockspage.webs.com/
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Hi John Like Jock has said it will later need to be beveled to follow curvature. You can do that later when time comes so no rush. At least you've cut away the necessary piece. Regards George1 Building HMS SOTS
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I have been off-line since Friday as there was large failure of telephone lines in my area affecting all internets on cable, some one hundred plus households.  So Sorry to all who I didn't reply to. I've just read your comments and help advice so thanks to all. They are as always very much appreciated. I decided in the meantime to plank the row boat to calm my nerves which only made them worse. Not being able to get online I couldn’t check long time member’s builds so had to go it alone. Results are as below re planking, filling and sanding. I wasn’t going to glue the keel as yet intending only to dry fit to check shape and couldn’t find the piece. Then found it under the office wheelie chair I’m using and with recent luck still in force it was in five pieces. All I could do was cut off the rough end breaks, glue on the pieces I could recognize and then fill in the gaps. Certainly not a perfect job, but I’m hoping a couple of coats of paint later will hide the mess from critical eyes. The next stage will have to wait for parts still to come within kit issues. Anyone who hasn’t planked the row boat yet will find it fun, even hilarious in a crazy sort of way. Be careful with sanding as ends up like eggshell easy to break through. I was lucky not to. I’ve been told by long time member in earlier posts that he found planking ship easier. So that is good to hear at least.  Regards George1 Building HMS SOTS
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Hi George Looks a treat even with your misshaps you pulled it off Regards Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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