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im looking at airspray but for a cheap alternative could i use a disposable can of spray paint for wood??? is this good? http://www.ebay.co.uk/it...&hash=item258186d5e6
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Hi, Yes you can use rattle cans to spray the lower hull and the one you linked to are fine, seeing as you get 5 for £20 thats about average. All you need to do is make sure the hull is very smooth, so a bit of sanding, filling, priming and then more sanding, filling and priming will be in order  Halfords white primer will be fine. Eventually it will be smooth enough to spray. Believe me, you do need to do this otherwise you will see every mark and dent very easily. Steve
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stevie_o wrote:Hi, Yes you can use rattle cans to spray the lower hull and the one you linked to are fine, seeing as you get 5 for £20 thats about average. All you need to do is make sure the hull is very smooth, so a bit of sanding, filling, priming and then more sanding, filling and priming will be in order Halfords white primer will be fine. Eventually it will be smooth enough to spray. Believe me, you do need to do this otherwise you will see every mark and dent very easily. Steve awesome, white primer for cars?? is it ok for wood? thanks..
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Car primer is fine, just a thought though, the SOTS hull is slightly off-white I think, not a pure matt white so you may be better off going to homebase or similar and getting a couple of cans of the 400g Rustoleum range. Not sure of the colour - have a look now Steve
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This one should be fine - http://www.homebase.co.u...om-white---400ml-896659
Seems expensive but I have used this range and they go on forever, very good coverage. It may look a bit "creamy" but when it's on I think it will give a more natural colour, up to you of course but the pure white might be a bit overwhelming. Steve
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stevie_o wrote:This one should be fine - http://www.homebase.co.u...om-white---400ml-896659
Seems expensive but I have used this range and they go on forever, very good coverage. It may look a bit "creamy" but when it's on I think it will give a more natural colour, up to you of course but the pure white might be a bit overwhelming. Steve Sweet, i also have some of this http://www.waylandgames....sh-spray/prod_2209.html
will that work to seal the wood before the primer? so it doesnt absorb? then the white primer then the final coats?
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That Citadel spray is not really a wood sealer, looks like an acrylic final varnish / sealer to give an even matt / satin finish. So, I personally wouldnt bother with it, the primer over the filled wood will be fine. Steve
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I used Rustoleum 'painters touch' satin heirloom white, (plenty of eBay), which is an antique off-white shade rather than being a snow white, and they also do a matching surface primer.
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I don't like to get to perfect a finish and the hulls - they were, after all, made of wood and would not have been perfectly smooth. Even a steel hull would have had some imperfections. But that's just me. You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.
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Golden Star, English Brig. RMS Titanic. (Academy 1/400 Centenary Anniversary Edition) Revell-Monogram 1/48 B-29 Superfortress 1:8 Baron von Richthofen's Fokker Tri-plane. HMS Victory. Nelsons Flag Ship. Sultan Arab Dhow. Artesania Latina Carmen II. The Battleship Yamato. Model Airways Wright Flyer 1:16 Scale. Trumpeter Bismarck 1/200. HMS Sovereign of the Seas. The Black Pearl.
Building:HMS Surprisel. Hatchette U96. Soleil Royal.
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riff-raff wrote:I don't like to get to perfect a finish and the hulls - they were, after all, made of wood and would not have been perfectly smooth. Even a steel hull would have had some imperfections.
But that's just me. Agreed, but the beauty of building these ships allows for builders to choose how they want their model to look, some go for the pristine straight out of the shipyard look whilst others decide upon the battered, weathered and used look.... Some choose to paint and some decide on the natural wood finish.. I personally didn't want my build to have the white hull and chose something different whilst others who have painted their hulls white have produced some beautiful builds... Down to individuals choice. Regards Alan
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riff-raff wrote:I don't like to get to perfect a finish and the hulls - they were, after all, made of wood and would not have been perfectly smooth. Even a steel hull would have had some imperfections.
But that's just me. I agree, the wooden hulls were not perfectly smooth on the full size ships but these imperfections when scaled down to 1/90 would be hardly noticeable. I do know what you mean though and I like wood to look like wood even after painting. The fact is I won't need to go out of my way to create imperfections - they will already be there Steve
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stevie_o wrote:riff-raff wrote:I don't like to get to perfect a finish and the hulls - they were, after all, made of wood and would not have been perfectly smooth. Even a steel hull would have had some imperfections.
But that's just me. I agree, the wooden hulls were not perfectly smooth on the full size ships but these imperfections when scaled down to 1/90 would be hardly noticeable. I do know what you mean though and I like wood to look like wood even after painting. The fact is I won't need to go out of my way to create imperfections - they will already be there Steve True, so once i use the primer white, do i need another white spray or will primer be enough? one coat or more? and the upper part of the brown planks when i paint it black, its ok to use same sprays but in black?is it worth priming? also, im sanding as much as possible, the upper outer hull brown planks when i sand them the dust makes themlight brown, is there a way to treat the parts that are unpainted to bring out the dark natural colour of the strips?
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Hi, all the questions you are asking basically comes down to an individuals personal choice as to how they want their model to look. Would suggest you carry out some test samples first to see what the effects are like before applying them to your model. Me, I would not simply use a primer, it is after all just that, a primer for the top coat. I would also prime the area that is to be painted black, apply the top coat and protect it with a coat of matt or satin varnish. In fact I prime just about everything before painting. As for the brown sapele strips, after sanding and to bring out the natural colour of the wood you may like to consider using materials such as danish oils, wood stains, clear varnish or even sanding sealer sometimes known as shellac. The subject of wood finishing and painting has been covered by many modellers on the forum so I would also suggest you use the search facility available at the top of the forum page, research the materials and techniques applied by others, do your test samples and then I'm sure you will end up with the finish you are trying to achieve..
Hope this helps.
Regards
Alan
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I have to agree with all of the comments posted on this thread as to the different finishes we put on this models and diversity and personal choice is what makes all these builds individual. If we all made them as per the instructions then what would be the point of the build diary's? I like to look at other people builds and I get a great deal of inspiration for a way to improve and my own builds and gain ideas etc. You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.
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Golden Star, English Brig. RMS Titanic. (Academy 1/400 Centenary Anniversary Edition) Revell-Monogram 1/48 B-29 Superfortress 1:8 Baron von Richthofen's Fokker Tri-plane. HMS Victory. Nelsons Flag Ship. Sultan Arab Dhow. Artesania Latina Carmen II. The Battleship Yamato. Model Airways Wright Flyer 1:16 Scale. Trumpeter Bismarck 1/200. HMS Sovereign of the Seas. The Black Pearl.
Building:HMS Surprisel. Hatchette U96. Soleil Royal.
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