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John Passmore wrote:George1 wrote:HI John. All looking really good mate. As you say decking comes next with assembly parts as well. Decking should be easier with your infills giving you a profile to follow. Re the stern fitting of issue 15. There is still an assembly fitting with issue 16 to go in between end of 2nd deck and the assembled issue 15. So even more timber at the stern. Also good with that issue 15 assembly once glued after issue 16 goes in between, the whole piece can be turned upside down for bottom planking later because it will rest on assembly 15 and the bow piece without any rib frames coming into contact with surface. Keep up the great work. Regards George PS Have sent you PM with list of planking available Float A Boat. Hi George Thanks for the kind words, are you referring to deck planking or hull planking? Regards JohnP G,day George I've been discussing deck planking with Rhonda at Float-a-Boat and have decided to go with 1x4mm Basswood for trialing on the middle deck as per Mike Gandale's build which I admire greatley. I am as yet undecided on the method of caulking. I've ordered some 0.5mm black rigging twine and have got some thin black card sheet with which to cut 0.4mm strips from, a task which I think may be a bit beyond me, but I'll give it a go because Alan's deck looks terrific. I will also trial beveling and filling the joint with a B Pencil. All three methods can be trialled on the middle deck as most of it is unseen, and the preferred method will be used on the upper decks when the time comes. Regards JohnP
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Hi John. There is another way some have used re caulking decking and that is to mix your pva with black paint and automatically look black between the deck planking. You can still use thin cardboard to keep planks just a smidgin apart for effect. I don't know how effective it would be but thought I'd pass it on to you as a possible method. Regards George. Building HMS SOTS
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George1 wrote:Hi John. There is another way some have used re caulking decking and that is to mix your pva with black paint and automatically look black between the deck planking. You can still use thin cardboard to keep planks just a smidgin apart for effect. I don't know how effective it would be but thought I'd pass it on to you as a possible method. Regards George. G'day George Yo! That gives me a 4th option which I shall trial on the second deck. . Thanks mate. Regards JohnP
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Scale wise most of the methods produce over size chalking. I prefer to use a 4B or 5B pencil to run along the edge, when completed leaves a thin grayish black line Previous builds Bounty, Cutty Sark, Red Baron Triplane, Bismark,Titanic,Endeavour http://jockspage.webs.com/
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Hi All You are correct that using thread or thin card will give an overscale effect to our models but its a catch 22 situation and its whatever your happy with. I generally just use a pencil rubbed along the edges to get the effect needed, also if you have a look at Steve's and my own builds of the Santisima Trinidad you will see that using natural Danish oil actually darkens the edges of the planks and gives the impression of caulking. Regards Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Hi John, An interesting and enjoyable discussion on the caulking. A good range of ideas. I found marking the edges of the carpenters pencil effective although tedious. I found that a narrow rut in the carbon allowed the edge of plank to track although I sometimes wondered if a softer carbon would be more appropriate ie 2B as a opposed to HB etc. I also liked Alan's suggestion about the caulking and the use of Danish Oil to highlight the caulk look.
As an experiment I used a permanent black market pen as an alternate applicator but found it less easier to control and its absorption into the grain gave a 'ratty' look.
On a more personal note I did reorder issue 8 because I was disappointed with my efforts with the skiff. This has since arrived and I am now in the process of doing it properly.
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Hi Jock, Andy and Brex Thanks to all for the good advice. I will trial all methods for caulking, seems that the soft pencil may be the most effective as well as the simplest to use I've ordered the planking but there is a delay in delivery - and as we all know W.A. stands for Wait Awhile - not West Australia Regards to all JohnP
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Hi All Progress, July 2014 in pics below; Hull planking was easier than I anticipated, but I found tapering them was a bit worrisome. I've done a bit of trial deck planking on the second deck - with a number of different caulking techniques. The black paper looks a bit too "heavy" and is difficult to control when installing. It's shown in the pic below the mast hole. The B pencil method whilst simple to apply, looks a bit scrappy (the section above the mast hole in the pic.) The 0.5mm black thread method is all at the stern end of the deck and looks a lot neater, but is very fiddly. I will do the tree nailing with a B pencil. I had some bother with the first garboard planks - I didn't cut the bending grooves deep enough and so had to come up with a clamping solution, hence the little screw with washers until the glue cures. Accidentally broke the top off rib 13 port flush with the deck, , but luckily it broke quite cleanly in an almost perfect slot and keyway configuration so filled the slot up with glue and poked it back in - making sure it's at right angles. The hull planks on one side and dummy cannon support on the other will further reinforce it. Now the dry dock is redundant I've made a temporary cradle using the previously installed fixing studs. The wing nuts make quick and easy to remove and refit. Regards JohnP John Passmore attached the following image(s):
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wow looking fantastic John very neat work well done.
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Well done John, looking good
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Neat work John Steve
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Hi John. All looking very good mate. See your decking with the black twine looks good. Great work mate. Looks like repair job on 13. If you check my thread I had to do repair on one rib as well. It turned out good as new. Just ensure clearance for next deck beam and deck when you brace it. Regards George Building HMS SOTS
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Nice work there John, love the build cradle.... Think you will find the tapering will become a lot easier as you progress into the build, the more you do the easier it will become... Decking looks really good and although using twine as with black card is a fiddly process, I think the results are well worth the effort. The deck you are working on will not be seen so use it as a practice session to perfect your technique and also to help you decide on how it is going to be finished in terms of colour/staining etc. Remember with the planking, let the strakes lie the way the want to and not force any into place, any gaps that appear can be filled with tapered pieces..... .. Look forward to seeing more... Regards Alan
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Wow amazing work john looking very nice
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Whizgig wrote:wow looking fantastic John very neat work well done. Hi Whizgig Thanks for looking in and complimentary comment... (What's your proper name then?) Regards JohnP
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Tomick wrote:Well done John, looking good Hi Mr T Thanks for looking in and the complimentary comment. It's much appreciated coming from an expert... Regards JohnP
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stevie_o wrote:Neat work John Steve Hi Steve Thanks for looking in and the complimentary comment... Regards JohnP
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John Passmore wrote:Whizgig wrote:wow looking fantastic John very neat work well done. Hi Whizgig Thanks for looking in and complimentary comment... (What's your proper name then?) Regards JohnP I John its Eugene
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George1 wrote:Hi John. All looking very good mate. See your decking with the black twine looks good. Great work mate. Looks like repair job on 13. If you check my thread I had to do repair on one rib as well. It turned out good as new. Just ensure clearance for next deck beam and deck when you brace it. Regards George Hi George Thanks for looking in and the complimentary comment.. I've repaired rib 13 in the 2nd of the photos. I saw your great repair job earlier but as my piece had snapped off almost flush with deck level, the use of bracings were not an option. I'm hoping that hull planking one side and dummy cannon support on the other will be sufficient reinforcement... The are a few errors in my trial deck planking, but rectification is not necessary as it's all covered in. Hope you find the pics useful when you start deck planking. I followed Mr Gandales' excellent tutorial from page 16 of his thread... The deck planking is Basswood, sourced from Float-a-Boat at about $8.50/pack. 1m lengths. Great stuff to work with - much easier than Bamboo! Regards JohnP JohnP
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Gandale wrote:Nice work there John, love the build cradle.... Think you will find the tapering will become a lot easier as you progress into the build, the more you do the easier it will become... Decking looks really good and although using twine as with black card is a fiddly process, I think the results are well worth the effort. The deck you are working on will not be seen so use it as a practice session to perfect your technique and also to help you decide on how it is going to be finished in terms of colour/staining etc. Remember with the planking, let the strakes lie the way the want to and not force any into place, any gaps that appear can be filled with tapered pieces..... .. Look forward to seeing more... Regards Alan Hi Alan Thanks for looking in and complimentary comments - much appreciated.. Glad you like my rudimentary cradle - wouldn't pass muster at a cabinet makers' convention but serves purpose in this instance! You would have noticed several errors in my trial deck planking sequence, but I've not bothered to rectify as I know it will all be enclosed later. I've been considering the finish colour/staining and leaning towards NO stain colour and just a very light sanding to leave the bare boards. In my younger years I was a merchant seaman and one of my first ships was the old Stirling Castle (25,000 tons of oceanic splendour) built by Harland & Wolff Belfast - no air conditioning , no heating but beautiful lines. She had all Teak decks, including the well deck which was completely covered. The planks, (from memory) were about 8 inches wide and caulked (about a 1/4 to 3/8 inches thick) with a black tarry substance. These decks used to be scrubbed regularly by the deck crew with big stiff bristled brooms and big square stones using sea water pumped up through hoses. Then the decks were just left to dry and bleach in the sun. I'm sure that the old sailing ships' decks would have been treated in the same manner and looked very similar... I made a little jig to assist in cutting/shaping the hull planking. Works well. picture below. John Passmore attached the following image(s):
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