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Does anyone have experience of the Amati pinning tools and are they any good? Been using the one that came with the free tool kit and have found it very sloppy. the tube seems too big for the supplied nails and the internal pin keeps falling out. Amati do 2 versions but I do not want to waste more money if these are poor as well. In the end used a pair of xuron tweezer nose pliers to insert my deck pins. Hope you guys are getting on with your decks better than I did AJB
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[quote=ajbird74]Does anyone have experience of the Amati pinning tools and are they any good? Been using the one that came with the free tool kit and have found it very sloppy. the tube seems too big for the supplied nails and the internal pin keeps falling out. Amati do 2 versions but I do not want to waste more money if these are poor as well. In the end used a pair of xuron tweezer nose pliers to insert my deck pins. Hope you guys are getting on with your decks better than I did AJB Hi, I purchased the cheaper of the two Amati pinning tools and have used it to pin the lower deck sections down. The first point I would make is it is not very user friendly, the top section digs into the palm of your hand when inserting the pins, looks like you should hold it like a pen but then you cannot exert sufficient pressure to fully insert the pins. Secondly I had to super glue the tube sections together as the sliding tube kept falling out of the handle, but having an engineering background this was not a problem. I personally do not rate this tool and will in all probability purchase an alternative design from Cornwall Model Boats
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CMB Cheers for the update. Off to Cornwall models it is then. Kind regards AJB
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I have never been a lover of the push pin tools, made a simple mistake once, by over exerting and severely damaged my model while talking to the kids, from there on, I always use pointy pliers, they work well as you can hold the pin close to the tip, and use minimal force to insert it, it works for me anyway. I hope you find a solution that works for you. Best wishes David Ship Builds on the go
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Lonestar Spirit wrote:I have never been a lover of the push pin tools, made a simple mistake once, by over exerting and severely damaged my model while talking to the kids, from there on, I always use pointy pliers, they work well as you can hold the pin close to the tip, and use minimal force to insert it, it works for me anyway.
I hope you find a solution that works for you.
Best wishes David I know what you mean David...I am using a nailer on this build for the first time, and considering that you have to manoeuvre the nailer into tight positions and trying to keep the nail from falling out just prior to positioning, it's can be quite annoying..and having big hands does not help...a small pair of pliers and small hammer to see the nail home is good enough for me... Current Builds: Deagostini HMS Victory: Deagostini HMS Sovereign of the seas. Completed Builds: Del Prado: HMAS Bounty: Hachette: RMS Titanic: Del Prado: Cutty Sark...
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jonny7england wrote:Lonestar Spirit wrote:I have never been a lover of the push pin tools, made a simple mistake once, by over exerting and severely damaged my model while talking to the kids, from there on, I always use pointy pliers, they work well as you can hold the pin close to the tip, and use minimal force to insert it, it works for me anyway.
I hope you find a solution that works for you.
Best wishes David I know what you mean David...I am using a nailer on this build for the first time, and considering that you have to manoeuvre the nailer into tight positions and trying to keep the nail from falling out just prior to positioning, it's can be quite annoying..and having big hands does not help...a small pair of pliers and small hammer to see the nail home is good enough for me... I have big hands too mate, but mine are more clumsy than useful these days lol I was wondering, maybee you could attach some double sided sticky tape to the rod that's inside, and maybee that might hold the nail in place long enough to position it???? worth a try hey. Ship Builds on the go
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Totally agree with these obsevations and experiences with the push pin tools. I was worried all the time I might slip and snap one of the ribs while pinning the deck. In the end I pre drilled the holes in the deck, used the push pin carefully to get the nail part of the way in and finished off with a hammer. The tool we got "free" was a bit c@!p. Made me wonder if it was worth investing in a better quality one. Anybody out there recommend a good one ? Jimmy L.
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I used the supplied pin-pusher for the first time today to attach the lower deck to the ribs. Can't say I had too many problems, aside from having to make sure that the rib was supported underneath when applying pressure to the tool.
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My tool fell to bits Heavy handed git Gonna try the lonestar method Bob
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Same with me the thing supplied in the "toolbox" is c**p! I have since got a proper one from CM and I dont have big mittes or am particulary heavy handed as the guys have said before. Seems to me to be the quality of the tool/pinpusher! Pam's shipyard is closed for now no more room!
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Mac,can I ask which pin pusher you got as there are 3 on CM website.Many thanks. Rob Nolli Illigitimi Carborundum!!!Current Builds: HMS Victory, SV Thermopylae
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Dontshootme wrote:Mac,can I ask which pin pusher you got as there are 3 on CM website.Many thanks. Suggest you steer clear of the Amati ones as mentioned earlier one.
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[quote=axle396]Totally agree with these obsevations and experiences with the push pin tools. I was worried all the time I might slip and snap one of the ribs while pinning the deck. In the end I pre drilled the holes in the deck, used the push pin carefully to get the nail part of the way in and finished off with a hammer. The tool we got "free" was a bit c@!p. Made me wonder if it was worth investing in a better quality one. Anybody out there recommend a good one ? [/quote I did not get much change out of a tenner for my nailer... it is well made and got a metal cap on the top of it so you can hammer the nails home...but, I was and still am very dubious about using it for fear of breaking something...One thing that I did notice as soon as I fitted and nailed the lower deck was that middle section of the keel braces had been weakened due to the downward forces applied to the decking..perhaps it would be wise for our shipmates to check these joins before proceeding ... Current Builds: Deagostini HMS Victory: Deagostini HMS Sovereign of the seas. Completed Builds: Del Prado: HMAS Bounty: Hachette: RMS Titanic: Del Prado: Cutty Sark...
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CMB wrote:Dontshootme wrote:Mac,can I ask which pin pusher you got as there are 3 on CM website.Many thanks. Suggest you steer clear of the Amati ones as mentioned earlier one. Hi, its the 8175 pin pusher with the blue handle. Its solidly made and works well I have been using it for most of afternoon on the decks. Pam's shipyard is closed for now no more room!
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I dont know if im going to use this methord on the planking but what ive done for the decks, was to drill and then incert the sharpe end of a cocktail stick i managed to get 8 nails out of 1 stick small blob of watered down glue(70% 30%) on the stick then trim off with a sharpe pair of side cutters i did that friday night and so far they have held Alan
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I havn't tried the 'pin pusher' as yet. And Im not sure I will. There was another method described in another thread which said, drill the 2 holes where the pin is going, separately, insert the pin and join them with super glue. Im doing that. I have hands like shovels. It also seems like the most accurate way. i dont know what weapons will be used in ww3 but ww4 will be sticks and stones.
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Ive used the free pin pusher and it was fine, drill a small hole and it worked well.
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I have been using the pin pusher supplied with the kit. I too have found it to be a bit sloppy. I did make a mistake and pushed too hard on one pin...the pin bent and the inner pin of the pusher went through the deck making a small hole.
I assume that the lower deck will be covered with planks or will not be seen...is that right?
I then found the best way was to make a small starter hole with a sharp point, stand the pin in the starter holder using tweezers and then use the pin pusher.
Some of the pins are slightly proud of the lower deck. I am not sure If I need to push them in more but I don't want to damage anything more than I have already!
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As I said, I dont trust pushpin tools as I have made simple but costly mistakes in the past, but if you do want a good one, just pop into your local DIY store, there are loads to choose from, but I still use the pliers to hold the pin, hit it home with my model hammer, then if any are difficult to get to, I use a small nail setter, again these can be picked up at a local DIY centre for a quid. PS Halfords is also now selling hobby tools.   I know I haven't followed the guide, as I glued the ribs in place before attaching the decks, you have to be quick, but I did this for strength as I dont like the watered down glue method. Ship Builds on the go
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"...I have never been a lover of the push pin tools, made a simple mistake once, by over exerting and severely damaged my model while talking to the kids...."So stop talking to the kids!! Quentin Tarantino - Hallowed Be Thy Name!
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