As promised, some overall views of the hull . .
 
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And last but not least the prow completed with the filler blocks, although not yet sanded.
Next step i'll attack the poop. Hoping in a good result.

Greetings, Jack.

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Le Cygne . . Continuation

Here below five other images of the brig "le Cygne".

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That's all regarding this ship/model. Regards, Jack.Aubrey.

I don't have details from the author, but, looking at the figurehead and the stern area I think to be right saying they are . . patiently . . hand carved.

It is a task I never had the opportunity to exercise, for me building this model will be a new experience in this area, provided I'll discover which was the right figurehead and stern and cabin details of the model I'm going to build . .
Remember, As I wrote time ago, I've not yet decided the name of this model, I can choice between 22 in the same class and these elements where the only differences distinguishing a ship from the other.

Cheers, Jack.

Hi gentlemen, I'm wondering I'm not getting answers about the question or better the modeller "dilemma" presented in my previous message.

I posted the same message on another forum and, as answers to the same questions I got an unbelivable source of informations, that help very much to get a decision and a way to proceed.

The historical research is one of the aspects of ship modelling that provides credibility to our work . . any idea or suggestion on this forum ?

http://modelshipworld.co...cale/page-4#entry243719

Jack

Really sorry that you feel you are not getting the support you would like but from my own perspective you are working at a class way above anything I either know about or could offer assistance with ( in plain terms your are the teacher I am the student).

That said just looked at your post and if I understand correctly you are asking if your model should have a figurehead. Now with my very limited knowledge I believe a ships figurehead is unique to a particular ship? So in effect you would not see the Victory figurehead on say the hms pickle, and vice versa.

So I guess I would have to say what are you trying to model? A named craft or a generic craft of a certain style? If your going for a known ship then reproduce that figurehead. If it's a ship in the style of my own view would be to leave off the figurehead. Trying to add this as a wood blank I do not think would look correct.

Maybe my answer is not what you were looking for but it is my own personal view.

Hopefully you may get sone other ideas being posted.

Kind regard to you.

Friday, October 3, 2014 - Structure of the stern
 
I put aside for the moment the figurehead "dilemma", although the topic remains open, to move on. 
 
It's been several days since I posted new pictures of the state of the shipyard and what I am about to show may appear a very small thing for those who have not experienced the problems I lived. 
In fact I could not spend the time on the model as I wanted because some commitments did not allow me, but apart from this detail, in fact, after a first attempt that did not achieved the results I expected, I had to disassemble what was wrongly done and start over with some variations. The explanation is all here. 
 
In the first picture you can see the exterior of the stern, which is slightly curved and "square" shaped, shape that is to be considered temporary. In fact, the next step will be to cut out the contours to the shape of the plans. At the time the sizes are quite generous. But from the outside, you don't understand how this structure is built . .
 
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Instead, the view from inside should serve to show how everything is set up. 
In fact we can identify three elements that compose it and which, together, provide the thickness and adequate strength until the planks will not be applied:
 
- Four shaped supports which are fixed to the last bulkhead and provide the base for the other two elements. They are made with special plywood because I felt very sturdy and therefore unsuitable to use the classic poplar plywood. However, it is the same material used for the keel.
- The outer part consisting of two shaped plywood pieces of 1,5mm. applied externally to the previous element. The top one is simply rectangular, the lower one has a shape that I had to get empirically by testing first with cardboards until I identified the right one and then copy it on to the plywood.
- Once the second element was fixed the next day I proceeded to stiffen the inside using lime 8x2mm strip glued properly. Note the need to cut with a given angle the side that met the internal angle and the bulkhead. To do this was very useful the power sander that I bought from Proxxon time ago.
 
Now that everything is perfectly dry it looks like a very strong structure able to deal with the stress of the next processing.
 
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Finally, an overview of the whole skeleton of the hull.
 
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To be continued . . Regards, Jack.

Jack

Nice to see this one now starting to take on some shape.

Looks like some very nice wood you have there to work with.

Thanks to another ship modeller from Uruguay because, by communicating with him, I had the possibility to identify exactly the authors of the two models I presented in this topic some messages ago.
The Authors (with the A in capital letters) are:
for Le Cyclope, Bernard Frölich
for Le Cygne, Jean-Claude Buchaillard

And thanks to all the other users for their contribution with their opinions . .

I'm seriously considering a fourth alternative for the figurehead, I'll explain better.

I wrote that it's my intention to build a brick captured by the Royal Navy and I have selected nine potential candidates. The nine bricks to which I refer are those listed below. I tried their translation into Italian and I got interesting references. The original French name represents, if I translated and understood correctly, birds and in some few cases mythological characters.

Curieux >>> Curious
Phaeton >>> Phaeton (mythological char) but also a bird (Phaethon rubricauda or Red-tailed tropicbird)
Voltigeur >>> Acrobat or a Napoleonic kind of warrior
Griffon >>> Griffin
Basque >>> Basque (people living in the basque territory)
Lutin >>> Sprite, elf, goblin
Nisus >>> Nisus character of the Vilgilio's Aeneid or Sparrowhawk (Accipiter Nisus), bird of prey
Milan >>> a bird of prey of various species (see Wikipedia)
Colibrì >>> Hummingbird

It's likely or plausible that the "bird" ships had a kind of figurehead like Le Cygne, which represented the bird its name implies, while for others it would be even easier for Phaethon (mith), Nisus (Aeneid) and a little less for Curious, Acrobat and Elf . For Basque just would not idea.

In the ANCRE monograph it seems that this logic may be applied.
According to the previous list good candidate names may be: Griffon, Nisus, Milan, Colibrì, Phaeton (bird) and probably also Lutin. Internet provides lot of images usable for these names.
 
Here some examples . . with the wings spread . .

Wednesday, October 15th, 2014

Today I started to apply the first planks. .
 
These are strips of lime wood, very beautiful, size 6 x 2 mm, purchased at a model hobby shop in Milan hinterland.

The first strip, in the photos the lower one, is in one piece and has been installed according to the line references of the deck, references which were previously marked on the bulkheads with a small incision on the outside and passed through with a pencil. With this one piece plank I secured a very accurate alignment and natural sheer.

Then I started to apply shorter planks concentrated in the area from amidships to the stern to rise, in order to properly cover the deck walls.
Next activity to reach the same situation from amidships to the bow. I hope tomorrow. . friendliness, Jack.Aubrey

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Very nice work there Jack very neat and a nice pick in the woods.

Eugene.