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Hello All,
So as you can likely guess, I am new to the forum, and also new to the building of model ships.
I have made a start on SOTS as my first build.. Currently have just finished with the planking of the hull, and wanted to use the deck I have in place to practice deck planking.
I've been following Gandale's build and am trying a few of the techniques he has posted, and want to try with treenailing the deck, however, do you think I can find BLACK fishing line here?..
5 shops.. nada.. zip.. zilch...
so I was wondering, are there any other techniques I could try for the treenailing of the deck?
Cheers
Mike
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Welcome to ModelSpace 
Some people create trenails from dark woods, or you can simulate with a pencil. The ends of toothpicks are often used which are highlighted dark if the deck is stained.
Have a practice on some scrap to see which effect you like best.
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 Hi and welcome to the forum To recreate the caulking between the planks some people use a soft pencil to mark the edges so when there stuck side by side the graphite shows black along the plank edges, note some people say the graphite gets everywhere staining the planks if your too heavy handed with the sanding. Another method is to use black card or paper between the planks. Regards Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Hi Mike and a very warm welcome to the forum... You have chosen a great kit to build but will also say it has it's challenges but that's what makes the build even more enjoyable.... Pleases me to hear you have been following my build and using some of my techniques. Remember, if I can assist you in any way then please just ask, am here to help if needed.... .. As for fishing line, you should be able to find some online, I got mine through ebay.... Another technique I have seen is to drill 0.5mm holes and to insert pencil lead, the kind you get in propelling pencils. Have the lead in the pencil, extend by 1 or 2 clicks, insert the lead into the hole and break off... Saw this online somewhere but have not been able to find the link.... Haven't tried this myself so doing a test piece would be the best option here.... .. Good luck with the build, hope you will decide to keep a diary and show how you are getting along.... Regards Alan
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Rank: Amateur level 2 Groups: Registered
Joined: 05/02/2015 Posts: 46 Points: 141 Location: Perth, Australia
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Hi All,
Thanks for the info :)..
I've got a few things to try re: the caulking, all picked up from threads on here, so am planning some testing to see which one I like.. have a range of papers from tissue paper through to black card to try, and the pencil edge, so that is the plan for today is to test those.
For the treenailing, I hadn't thought of the pencil led.. but great idea and will try it, another idea I had was to cut the heads of the pins that are supplied with the kit and use those?
I've also been stocking up on toothpicks for the outer hull.. I believe porcupine of the seas was the term used? ;)... I was originally going to pain the model but then saw your thread with the walnut on the bottom of the hull instead and it looks awesome!.. so am going that route instead.
I had a thought with the red line along the hull too.. that instead of painting it, I am going to look at using mahogany stain on some light coloured wood and recreate it that way.. but that is a long way off so still only a thought.
Mike
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BigMike wrote:Hi All,
Thanks for the info :)..
I've got a few things to try re: the caulking, all picked up from threads on here, so am planning some testing to see which one I like.. have a range of papers from tissue paper through to black card to try, and the pencil edge, so that is the plan for today is to test those.
For the treenailing, I hadn't thought of the pencil led.. but great idea and will try it, another idea I had was to cut the heads of the pins that are supplied with the kit and use those?
I've also been stocking up on toothpicks for the outer hull.. I believe porcupine of the seas was the term used? ;)... I was originally going to pain the model but then saw your thread with the walnut on the bottom of the hull instead and it looks awesome!.. so am going that route instead.
I had a thought with the red line along the hull too.. that instead of painting it, I am going to look at using mahogany stain on some light coloured wood and recreate it that way.. but that is a long way off so still only a thought.
Mike Hi Mike, happy to be of some help... Like the idea of staining the area of the red strip rather than painting but you may like to consider using a cherry stain for that area rather than mahogany, mahogany may not stand out so much against the walnut hull. Do take into consideration though that other areas are supposed to match the red strip such as the inner bullworks so they would probably need to be stained too. Try a few test pieces on the various woods you will be using to give you an idea of how it will all come together.. .. Regards Alan
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BigMike wrote:Hi All,
Thanks for the info :)..
I've got a few things to try re: the caulking, all picked up from threads on here, so am planning some testing to see which one I like.. have a range of papers from tissue paper through to black card to try, and the pencil edge, so that is the plan for today is to test those.
For the treenailing, I hadn't thought of the pencil led.. but great idea and will try it, another idea I had was to cut the heads of the pins that are supplied with the kit and use those?
I've also been stocking up on toothpicks for the outer hull.. I believe porcupine of the seas was the term used? ;)... I was originally going to pain the model but then saw your thread with the walnut on the bottom of the hull instead and it looks awesome!.. so am going that route instead.
I had a thought with the red line along the hull too.. that instead of painting it, I am going to look at using mahogany stain on some light coloured wood and recreate it that way.. but that is a long way off so still only a thought.
Mike You can also buy a range of possibilities for trenails..
http://www.cornwallmodel...atalog/amati_nails.html
http://www.cornwallmodel...artesania-trenails.html
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Rank: Amateur level 2 Groups: Registered
Joined: 05/02/2015 Posts: 46 Points: 141 Location: Perth, Australia
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I just read another way to simulate treenailing.. is to drill the holes, then fill them in using a wood filler that is a darker colour than your deck wood.. thought I might give that a bash as well.. they did say the colour might seep into the planking.. so not sure.. will see how it goes..
I haven't tested the pencil led you mentioned yet Alan, but had thought about sanding.. would the graphite go everywhere when sanded I wonder?
Thanks for the link Tomick.. I found those here in Australia once I saw your links.. however seems an expensive option given the amount needed..
I will try find some cherry stain for testing also for the red strip.. As you said, other areas are meant to match so would end up using the same technique there also... I don't want a bright red, aiming for more of the maroon / burgundy shades...
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BigMike wrote:I just read another way to simulate treenailing.. is to drill the holes, then fill them in using a wood filler that is a darker colour than your deck wood.. thought I might give that a bash as well.. they did say the colour might seep into the planking.. so not sure.. will see how it goes..
I haven't tested the pencil led you mentioned yet Alan, but had thought about sanding.. would the graphite go everywhere when sanded I wonder?
Thanks for the link Tomick.. I found those here in Australia once I saw your links.. however seems an expensive option given the amount needed..
I will try find some cherry stain for testing also for the red strip.. As you said, other areas are meant to match so would end up using the same technique there also... I don't want a bright red, aiming for more of the maroon / burgundy shades... Hi Mike, sanding would be my concern also. Like I said, I haven't tried it myself but may be worth running a test piece first to see how it would work out.... .. Will be interested to see what method you choose... Regards Alan
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Hi there Mike, I have also been experimenting with tree nailing the decks on a piece of scrap. In addition to the advice already presented, here is another that you may want to consider. I was after a black treenail finish to compliment the simulated caulking so in-lieu of fishing line I am trying out using the bristles from a banister brush as shown in the attached pictures. I had mixed and inconsistent results with a pencil, however, this may have been due to my inexperience or selection of pencil (same 6B that I used for the caulking). The bristles on the brush are 0.25 to 0.3mm in diameter. I cut in half an old sewing needle, filed a V point and placed the needle in a pin vise miniature hand drill. The needle is just over 0.4mm diameter and ideal for predrilling the decks. Use a sharp hobby knife to square trim the end of the bristle before placement into the deck. I found that cutters would squash and splay out the bristle making it difficult to fit. Apply a small amount of superglue to the end of the bristle and place it in the predrilled hole. Allow the superglue to fully set (ideal time for a brew break and rest the eyes) and then trim the bristle. Use a flexible nail file board to lightly sand the bristle so that it is flush with the deck. The results are looking promising at this point. I just need to see how the deck goes with a light stain and a final seal before deciding whether I like the final finish. For a lighter treenail, I am considering using a straw broom or a scrubbing brush, however, I have not been able to find one that has an even or right size diameter. So, another alternative in the mix for consideration. As per previous advice, try out various techniques on scrap and see what works well for you. Regards, Adam AdamHall attached the following image(s):
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Now that's an idea I haven't seen before Adam so thanks for sharing.... Bristles from a hard brush may turn out to be very cost effective too...
Regards
Alan
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Rank: Amateur level 2 Groups: Registered
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Hi Adam,
Thanks for that, another idea to try...
I'm a bit slow on updates as I only really get to build on weekends..
Just today finished the bamboo hull planking.. and have covered it in filler ready to look at sanding the first layer soon..
Also made a start cutting up strips for the deck planking.. am using the hidden deck as a practice deck..
I ended up getting 0.6 x 4 mm basswood.. awesome to cut and work with..
trialled a caulking method I saw on here, I don't remember whose it was (sorry) but is using tissue paper and gluing it to the edges.. I did a trial piece on scrap wood and it looked great.. so going with that...
Gonna start that while I work out how to treenail the decks..
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Hi Adam, That's a good idea, my way is to drill 1mm holes and use cocktail sticks or 1mm dowel which I did on my Victory build, but I must say your bristles idea works. Regards Trev. Work in progress: Tombstone (Scratch) - San Francisco 2. -The Mayflower ( scratch by plan).
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