I am pretty sure it single planked, so it gotta be good..arghhh!!!

Ive read the thread an 1 thing that keeps popping up is plans plans an more plans it would be great if we could have some 1 to 1 plans it would take all the hassle away i might right of to AL and ask if they could sell me the set i know its more expence but just might be worth it in the long run
Alan

Oh beggar - right first time then eh?

I am planning on painting mine but it's the gun ports that are worrying me. I think I maight make the edging for each port separatley, paint them & then insert them deep enough to show the rebate.

Lots of work but well worth it

Hi,

I have asked this question in a previous thread. Tomick replied that it will be "single planked overall and the bottom half skinned with a dark veneer".

Of course anyone is free to double plank if they wish. Personally I am trying to follow the build as done by Tomick. If mine turns out as good as his(he is after all a professional modelmaker)I will be more than happy.

I like Colin(zeptrader) have been thinking long and hard about the gunport linings,and other bits and pieces of the build,like the upgrading of the launch,anchor,cannons,in fact every part of the build so far,and the rebates in the gunports are now being considered.
Can you see now,why,al decided not to supply plans,the kit is aimed at the general public,not semi pro modelmakers,who could scratch build victory from a number of plans which are availiable.If al supplied plans,think of the newbees who would recoil in horror and think no way can I build that!!the way al have re-designed the way the build goe's is that it is possible and feasable for a member of the public to be confident enough to attempt the build with a little help from us,(experianced modelmakers)so getting back to the gunport rebates,I think the only way to successfully achieve this is to double plank,though I believe that the first layer will be 2mm thick,and the lining for the ports will be .05mm. or even 1mm.possible to leave a rebate of 1mm. not much,but enough I think to give the effect of a rebate.I agree a plan should be availiable for a small charge to those who want them,but I could then see the experianced boys picking more holes in al's attemps at building the Victory. -----------------me still thinkin' 'bout rebates if I come up with better idea then double planking I well let you know.

Yep some good points Karl, to be honest regarding the plans, if they could only supply a full size (model size) plan that could give us some ideas of measurements ect, that would be a start.

Ive seen a few ways of doing the gun port surrounds and making them rebated, some ideas I think would be unworkable due to positioning of the ports themselves.

Gun Port Framing (prior to planking) is a risky one, apart from the obvious of not knowing the position but then laying the planks in one length, you could cut around them but it would be hard to get a small lip in the rebate and also getting them laying across the hull inn one nice line if you went for smaller lengths around the gun ports.

If we could find the finished size of the gun ports that would help, starting the port of 12mm and adding some framing of 1mm gives us 10mm gun ports, this could then be attacked now.
Ive looked at tomicks diary and wonder if by not attaching the middle deck the planking could be started but only 4 planks, enough room to work inside the hull to add the siles and mantle and the 2 sides parts to form the surround, I think it would to almost impossible to work on the outside in to construct the framing...but

Ive seen a model and he talks of adding the framing with tweezers and a home made clamp to add them from the outside.

I think this problem of making the framing inside the gun ports is common with a lot of Victory models, ok the Jotika one is a little different but my thinking is this model is pretty good quality made harder only by receiving small bits at a time, the nature of part works I guess, I had this problem with the Bounty.

What does bother me and its only my thought is the comment by Tomick that the upper deck is scheduled for parts 45/46, and we are only on early 20's now, quite a long time to wait really.

I would prefer to single plank on my Victory, so finding a solution this way is preferably.

Anyway just my thought overnight, but maybe Tomick could find out for us what the finished size is of the gun ports, that would help a lot.

Reading Karl's post, I would agree that inexperienced modellers would find a scratch build daunting if all they had were the plans.

However, we can all take advantage of the step-by-step magazine instructions, Tomick's build and, of course, the forum. However, remembering that one picture is worth a thousand words, I'm sure everyone would benefit from a set of plans which help interpret the rest of the information and provide the opportunities to take measurements etc.

Speaking personally, if I had only had the limited Constructo set of instructions and the few badly defined pictures, I would never have got my HMS Halifax started. From square one I was referring to the plans supplied as an integral part of the kit.

This applies equally to those following the build as intended by DeAgostini and those more experienced who might feel the urge to modify with double planking etc etc. I would be more inclined to kit bash, if I could see where my kit was going!

Mike T

After fighting the garden this morning, and boy what is a fight I had more thought and ideas, nothing concrete but as its says on the tin IDEAS!

A lot of us have a number of book, Longridges book, McGowans and McKays, all of which have plans, that said we have positions of gunports on these plans.

We have seen on Tomicks build where the lower gun ports start from, the top of the first plank, also the side of the formers, so we have X and Y, we can then form a position to give us the 12mm (not actual size of the finished ports) but its a start.
If the plans as mentiomned above could be re sized and positioned we could then gauge the size and position of the other gun ports..yes or no?

Then and only then could the framing of the ports begin, I have found the build log of the prototype of Chucks Syren over at MSW, the one I started but never finished..(huh)

I think the pictures speak for themselves.

A paper template to show positions of gun ports.


A batten places as a marker for positioning, we have the first plank as that marker.


The sill are placed in.


Next is the lintels, again we need to know the final size of the gun ports.


Gun port sides are placed.


A little more is added, this is only for the Syren.


The area inside is painted red, with the first plank placed where the original baton was.


Planking starts.


Continuing upwards, just as we have seen in our build.



As you can see this would create the desired effect, superb I reckon.


And finally this is with the wales added and painted black.


Its well worth looking into this option, I forgot about it earlier and has been mentioned so this pictures may add some more comments, again we have 3 different sets of plans from those books mentioned above, BUT we need to get the correct size on scaling up the plans.

I've got my Victory sitting there up to date with planking, and the ports marked out as per Tomick's directions. I am so tempted to get stuck in, but part of me is telling me to wait until the magazine comes on Wednesday

Shall I do one and post a pic?

Tom