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Jack Sparrow
#41 Posted : 05 September 2010 16:32:32

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I have not started any of the planking yet as my issues have not arrived yet, and I am sorely tempted to use the idea of framing them first and then plankingCool , it looks very neat and tidy!!Drool Drool Cool. Superb colin!!Cool BigGrin
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#42 Posted : 05 September 2010 17:38:37

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I have been mucking about all morning withthe gun port dilema and have done a mock of the victorys side and using tomicks measurements 12mm by 12mm I have cut down some planking to 2mm by 1mm and made some inserts which now makes the gun port 10mm by 10mm and it looks the business un fortunately my camera is poorly so I cant upload any photos do we know the muzzle width of the mock cannons I have tried the cannon 12Lb and the scale ie spot on with the inserts in place the gun hatch would have to be 10mm *10mm


Brilliant, you beat me to it:) get some pictures ASAP.
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#43 Posted : 05 September 2010 19:34:27

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Gave in and just did one gun port, I think it took me about an hour? Blink

Very pleased with it - will look even better when framed and veneered the rest of the hull!

Tom
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#44 Posted : 05 September 2010 19:42:52

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well done tom, gotta picture?

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#45 Posted : 05 September 2010 20:12:11

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Zeptrader wrote:
well done tom, gotta picture?








And I thought planking was time consuming!

Tom
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#46 Posted : 05 September 2010 20:39:23

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Nice planking, very smooth, and your gonna double plank?

To be honest this is the stage that we are gonna make or break this model, so time spent here is time well spent..IMHO

I'm hoping my issues come this week, what does the mag say about the position of the gun ports?

and the last question for ya, is the planking wood 1mm thick?
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#47 Posted : 05 September 2010 21:36:53

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Nice planking, very smooth, and your gonna double plank?

To be honest this is the stage that we are gonna make or break this model, so time spent here is time well spent..IMHO

I'm hoping my issues come this week, what does the mag say about the position of the gun ports?

and the last question for ya, is the planking wood 1mm thick?


Thanks Colin, I'm very pleased with it so far. Still double planking LOL I like the finish on the lime veneer more than the supplied wood. If I was painting it then I'd just leave it with one layer, but the way the lime comes up will work for me.

Indeed, at least with planking there is a bigger room for error, whereas one mistake here and its very hard to cover up!

I don't have the gun port magazine yet - I followed Tomick's diary for the one I did, and I think I'll leave it at that until I get the mag just in case theres some more points to take note of!

Do you mean the planking veneer? Th veneer I have is 1mm, and the supplied wood is 2mm, meaning the hull will be 3mm thick. I think its quite likely I will be buying some wood for the framing as this increase in size might effect the wood we will be getting with the issues.

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#48 Posted : 05 September 2010 22:02:12

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the supplied wood is 2mm


yes that was what I was interested in knowing, cheers.

The more I think about the framing of the gunports the more I like the idea, and going over Chuck's Syren model again it has given some encouragement on looking into this a lot more.

and looking at the mock up I did some months back this is what I want from my Victory.



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#49 Posted : 06 September 2010 01:24:41

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Brilliant mock-up there Colin, how long did that take you to make?

Think I'll be heading in this direction myself - I like how the frames are slightly sunken in from the hull edge. Do we know how the magazine will be telling us to fit them? I know its a while off yet but helps to know.

Would be interesting to hear from those going for a natural finish; any thoughts on the type of wood you will be using (if you are replacing the supplied stuff) ?
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#50 Posted : 06 September 2010 01:43:17

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the supplied wood is 2mm


yes that was what I was interested in knowing, cheers.

The more I think about the framing of the gunports the more I like the idea, and going over Chuck's Syren model again it has given some encouragement on looking into this a lot more.

and looking at the mock up I did some months back this is what I want from my Victory.




Hi Colin,

That looks spot on. Have you set the gunport frames slightly in or is it a veneer (second skin) applied afterwards ?
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#51 Posted : 06 September 2010 07:19:59

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this is the original post for the mock up, it was done to find awy of getting the colours of the victory without the use of paints.

http://forum.model-space...s&m=10670#post10670

I used stain and Indian Ink, with white paint and the red paints only, I quite like it.
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#52 Posted : 06 September 2010 09:24:27

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Looks a damn fine neat job Colin, I would be champing at the bit to see your build in its completed state mate...ThumpUp
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#53 Posted : 06 September 2010 10:02:57

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Hi Colin sorry if i missed the post, the linings for the gun ports can you tell me the size of the material used to line the gun ports and are the linings flush or behind the first layer of planking?Confused Confused
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#54 Posted : 06 September 2010 17:22:44

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Hi shipmates! BigGrin

A picture paint a thousand words so here are 2, the plans are at 1/48 scale the gunport linings are 9mm, making the gunport linings around 5mm deep at a scale of 1/84.
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#55 Posted : 06 September 2010 18:28:52

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the linings for the gun ports can you tell me the size of the material used to line the gun ports


No idea mate, we haven't got that far yet, this is just coming up with ideas and guessing.

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and are the linings flush or behind the first layer of planking?


Still not sure how the kit will approach this but for me the lining would be inset, as the planking is 2mm I would hazard a guess at the scale side of things and place them 1mm in, so when the gunport hatches come down it would sit flush with the hull, this all really depends on what extra work you want to put into it.

Another build show the linning as flush but to me and other here looks odd, so again we move away from the kit.
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#57 Posted : 06 September 2010 21:16:32

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the plans are at 1/48 scale the gunport linings are 9mm, making the gunport linings around 5mm deep at a scale of 1/84.


How do you work this out?Blushing
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#58 Posted : 06 September 2010 21:40:22

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Very interesting reading this thread is making, nice one everyone.

Just a heads up for everyone - I've found that the inside of the ports may need going over again with black paint as they get covered in sawdust and the odd slip with a file means some of the original paint gets scuffed. I carefully went over the one I did and it now looks like a black hole to oblivion.

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#59 Posted : 06 September 2010 22:37:41

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Hi Colin! BigGrin
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the plans are at 1/48 scale the gunport linings are 9mm, making the gunport linings around 5mm deep at a scale of 1/84.


How do you work this out?Blushing


Simply really made a spreadsheet on execl 2007 entered 48 in the 'Start Scale' so it showed 1/48, then entered 84 in the 'Convert To Scale' so it showed 1/84 and that gave my a 'Correction Factor' of 0.571428571. Next measured on the plan 9mm so entered 9 in the 'Measurement' section and got 5.14 in the 'Converted To' section, so rounded 5.14mm down to 5mm.

Below that I setup a section to convert measurement from yards down to millimetres so I can use reference measurements from all sources real and from scale plans. As you enter the scale your can go from 1/1 scaled down to 1/99999999 or the other way from 1/99999999 scale up to 1/1 scale.

Example you have the real deck plank measurement 21 foot so you want the scale measurement for a scale 1/84. Enter 1/1 for 'Start Scale', 1/84 for 'Convert To Scale', 21 in the 'Start Measurement' section on the row for 'Feet'. This give you all the converted measurements from yards down to millimetres, Enter 6400.8 in the 'Measurement' section and you get 76.20 in the 'Converted To' section that's 76.2mm.

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#60 Posted : 06 September 2010 22:56:24

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Try this as well mate:

http://jbwid.com/scalcalc.htm

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