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hold on to your seats the bow pack is being emailed out tonight!! all those who have sent m emails today requesting packs from the start will get them tonight also happy model building ps if anybody has any information on the splinter nets strung between masts i would love some detail please Jase “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.” -Mark Twain
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jase wrote: ps if anybody has any information on the splinter nets strung between masts i would love some detail please
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What exactly do you want to know Jase? What you call splinter nets are probably the nets which were stretched between the masts to prevent injury not so much from flying splinters but to catch falling blocks and other parts of the rigging shot away during a battle. We British tended to fire our cannon into the sides of the enemy ships in order to inflict maximum damage to the enemy crew in order to win the battle. The French tactics favoured aiming at the rigging to disable the ship and once it was no longer manouverable they would hope to move in for the kill. There were various specialised types of shot such as chain shot and bar shot which were designed to cause maximum damage aloft. Some of the wooden blocks were extremely large and would prove fatal if they landed on top of the gunners working on the decks, hence the nettings were rigged to catch the debris and the corpses of any sailors shot whilst aloft adjusting the sails or repairing battle damage. Mike T
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hi mike, yes you are bang on the numbers, that's the net i am on about. I would like to know how it was attached and what it looked like. any ideas? “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.” -Mark Twain
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cheerz for the latest packs mate. i dont know what weapons will be used in ww3 but ww4 will be sticks and stones.
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Bow detail pack received. Once again many thanks CMB
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jase wrote:hi mike,
yes you are bang on the numbers, that's the net i am on about. I would like to know how it was attached and what it looked like. any ideas?
Hi Jase Your question is proving interesting, everybody knows about these nets but finding a reference to to them is proving elusive. My best info so far is Eighteenth Century Rigs and Rigging by Karl Marquardt. He has a chapter on Netting! There was apparently splinter netting which was rigged along the inner sides of the ship to prevent splinters flying, not sure how effective that might have been. The nets you refer to are simply called 'Overhead' nets. Marquardt suggests that they were rigged in the same way as awnings used for shade in the tropics. The centre line of the awning was rigged between two of the masts using either a block fixed to the mast or a roller fitted to an iron clasp hook around the mast. The quarter deck awning would have stretched between the mizzen mast and the ensign staff. The side lines were then passed to blocks and tackles rigged to the shrouds. At the stern he refers to wooden stanchions fixed to the hull to take the side ropes. You would need to manufacture a net probably by knotting some rigging twine and then add some blocks and tackle so that the net is fixed in six places above the deck, I would suggest twice the scale height of a man, say about 45 mm to scale. If I can find more information I will pass it on. I think I can remember seeing an illustration in a book or a battle scene painting with figures on the deck and various examples of battle debris such as a dead Royal Marine trapped in the netting above. But where that was I can't recollect at the moment. Mike T
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got the e-mails, thank you very much!! steve
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Received the detail packs. Many thanks Jason. As I intend to do a painted version these will be be invaluable. Extra rum rations for you I think, shipmate. Jimmy L.
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Glad everybody is finding something of use in the packs. I am working on the diorama pack now its a very big pack!! “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.” -Mark Twain
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Hi Jase I do appreciate all the work you are doing for us all and understand if one or two packs have missed the post so to speak, but I do not appear to have have any yet.I did email you with a request which was returned for confirmation of address but up until today haven't received any packs. Thanks again for doing this for us, and look forward to seeing some of your pics soon. Warmest regards daffy09
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The next pack will be sent out Wednesday night it is a 44 page pack detailing the interior that may be visible on our model including plans for the cut-out/diorama and lots of detail photos for the diorama. if you have not asked for detail packs yet but thinking of doing the diorama this pack is invaluable please message me with your email if you have not requested packs or not recived any yet. i have had some problems with emails bouncing sorry but i will sort out if you resend your email. “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.” -Mark Twain
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Received with thanks Jase. Your da man! Built Billings Le Bayard Mamoli Golden Hind Corel Shenandoah In Progress AL King of the Mississippi Mantua HMY Britannia 1893/HMS Victory 1/98 Stopped Yet to start AL Zuiderzee Botter (Pre laser)Fun fun fun Constructo HMS Victory Caldercraft HMS Victory Deag HMS Victory
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Hi Jase Got your pics pack. What can I say that hasn't already been said. Wonderful photos, superb detail. Tusind tak (Danish: a thousand thanks) Look forward to the follow up sets Daffy09
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Hi jase i have pm`d you with my email address mate could i have all the packs todate please many thanks john HMS VICTORY HMS SURPRISE ASTON DB5 MCLAREN MP4-23
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Mike Turpin wrote:jase wrote:hi mike,
yes you are bang on the numbers, that's the net i am on about. I would like to know how it was attached and what it looked like. any ideas?
Hi Jase Your question is proving interesting, everybody knows about these nets but finding a reference to to them is proving elusive. My best info so far is Eighteenth Century Rigs and Rigging by Karl Marquardt. He has a chapter on Netting! There was apparently splinter netting which was rigged along the inner sides of the ship to prevent splinters flying, not sure how effective that might have been. The nets you refer to are simply called 'Overhead' nets. Marquardt suggests that they were rigged in the same way as awnings used for shade in the tropics. The centre line of the awning was rigged between two of the masts using either a block fixed to the mast or a roller fitted to an iron clasp hook around the mast. The quarter deck awning would have stretched between the mizzen mast and the ensign staff. The side lines were then passed to blocks and tackles rigged to the shrouds. At the stern he refers to wooden stanchions fixed to the hull to take the side ropes. You would need to manufacture a net probably by knotting some rigging twine and then add some blocks and tackle so that the net is fixed in six places above the deck, I would suggest twice the scale height of a man, say about 45 mm to scale. If I can find more information I will pass it on. I think I can remember seeing an illustration in a book or a battle scene painting with figures on the deck and various examples of battle debris such as a dead Royal Marine trapped in the netting above. But where that was I can't recollect at the moment. Mike T Try searching for boarding nets,that was what they were principally used for..to stop an enemy boarding..they did also serve to protect the seamen from falling debris but in the days of no health & safety that would have been a secondary issue!! Rob Nolli Illigitimi Carborundum!!!Current Builds: HMS Victory, SV Thermopylae
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thanks mike and rob “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.” -Mark Twain
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Dontshootme wrote: Try searching for boarding nets,that was what they were principally used for..to stop an enemy boarding..they did also serve to protect the seamen from falling debris but in the days of no health & safety that would have been a secondary issue!! The overhead nets and boarding nets were two different sets of netting with different purposes and rigged differently. Boarding nets were,as you say, used to obstruct enemy boarders. They were rigged to fall slackly above the bulwarks. They were left slack so that a cutlass or boarding pike could not be used to easily cut them away. The overhead nets were rigged to hang horizontally over the decks and were sized up taught to prevent falling objects causing injury Mike T
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I can not find a pictorial reference for this anywhere so it is not looking like I will be able to model them. as I said i am looking to model victory preparing for Trafalgar so this gives me an opportunity not to display the nets. thanks for all the help “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.” -Mark Twain
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