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Worked on floorboards and Thwarts (noun). New word to me. Remember I am new to all this awesome boat and modeling stuff. THWART: noun 1. a structural crosspiece sometimes forming a seat for a rower in a boat. A nod to DSoldano log ( http://forum.us.model-sp...spx?g=posts&t=15337 ) and the book "Ship Modeling Simplified. http://www.amazon.com/Sh...words=wooden+ship+model
Before I made my floor boards I sanded down the hard edge to round off the wood that is use on for the floor board. That way they look slatted. I made a templet for the floor boards like DSoldano did in his log. I taped all the wooden boards together on the back, marked and cut the shape out from the templet. I cut everything long so I could sand it back. Sanded to shape, and checking it inside the boat. This is why I taped on the back end so I could see how it would fit all together inside the boat an it was EZ to handle. Once I was happy I taped the front removed the tape from the back, painted glue on the back and boom I had a great looking floor board read to paint. After remove the tape from the front it will be primed and painted. Everything is dry fit in the pictures. Thanks for looking, happy building. -JG Gauncer attached the following image(s): In the workshop: HMS VictoryFinished builds: Providence Whaleboat
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Very nice work JG the floorboards look spot on Rgd Martyn Building ? Completed. Soliei Royal . Sovereign of the Seas . Virginia . Scotland . San Felipe . Corel vasa , Santisima Trinadad X section , Vasa Next Build ? When sailors have good wine, They think themselves in heaven for the time. John Baltharpe
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Nicley done. Your lunch is shaping up very well Jase “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.” -Mark Twain
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Very nice work on the launch Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Your doing a great job on this, the launch looks great Steve
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Lovely work JG, patience and attention to detail are certainly paying off.... .. Very well done... Regards Alan
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I have a question for the group. I have added my first gun deck and have not glued anything yet, only nailed. Ribs 30 and 31 fall off the aft of the keel. Is this correct? Also when I glue the gun decks down with the solution of water&glue will I also glue down 30 and 31? Thank you. JG Gauncer attached the following image(s): In the workshop: HMS VictoryFinished builds: Providence Whaleboat
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It is correct that those last frames overhang the keel, they will take some heavy sanding later. As long as you have frame 31 pushed down in the slot far enough then you are ok - the top of 31 should be level with the sternpost part of the keel. Steve
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Hi JG, everything looks fine to me. With the diluted PVA, apply to all the joints between the ribs and the keel as shown in the instructions, this also includes rib 30. Do not glue 31 in place at this stage but it can be clamped to rib 30 to help ensure rib 30 doesn't move while the glue is setting. Rib 31 will be glued in place later in issue 18. You could also have a look at the official video build for the Vic, there is a video there covering issues 11-20, it will also show you the sequence of events.... Most importantly as Stevie says, ensure all ribs are seated all the way down in their slots while the glue is setting.... Finally as a belts and braces, you could add a further application of neat PVA to the joints after the initial application has dried..... .. Hope this helps. Regards Alan
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Agree with all that Alan say especially making sure that rib 31 is seated properly as Steve says. The problem with this doesn't show up until much later and a couple of people have had to dismantle their models right back to this stage.
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Thank you guys. Sounds like you saved me a load of trouble. Great youtube videos too. She is now all glued up and feeling soild. JG In the workshop: HMS VictoryFinished builds: Providence Whaleboat
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Please we were able to help and happy you like the videos, again they are put together to help new builders to this kit.... This also goes to show the value in keeping a diary, it really does help us to give the best possible advice..... .. Keep up the good work and keep those pics coming, remember we're here if you need us..... Regards Alan
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Hi everyone. I have a quick question for the group and seeking insight. Glued my frist set of deck support beams, and dry fit the (2nd gun) deck halves. I have found (as you can see in the pictures) non of the mast holes line up nicely. My question is this normal and expected? I understand I should expect a little sanding, but this seam bigger than I was thinking. I have sanded where the ribs meet, but the aft end too? Seam too far off. Any suggestions? I am worried my hull is askew, but everything looked in order with my first gun deck. Everything was lined up perfectly and fell good. That is all for now. Gauncer attached the following image(s): In the workshop: HMS VictoryFinished builds: Providence Whaleboat
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Nice to see your progress, the mast holes lined up fine for me and I've not seen any comments on them being out of line - are you positive that all the frames are square to the false keel? It might be an idea to not worry so much about any gaps at the end of the false decks but try to get those mast holes as close as you can Steve
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Hi JG, Steve is spot on here. It certainly looks as if some of the ribs were not quite square to the keel, they don't have to be out by much to give you the alignment problem you are seeing. As Steve says, it isn't bad but we do need to ensure those mast holes line up correctly together and over the correct spots in the keel. A simple check you can do is starting from the bow, double check that the bow bulkhead is still square to the keel, then measure exactly the distance between each rib down one side and at the lower deck level, then measure the other side. The measurements should be exactly the same on both sides of the ship. Note these measurements on a sheet then we can see exactly what needs to be done.... If the measurements are spot on then the only other thing it could be is the keel is not quite straight... This looks as if simple adjustments to the next deck can be made but these adjustments may also need to be made on the next decks too.
Hope this helps
Regards
Alan
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I will check both sides and note the measurements once I am back to work on her. If she is out of alignment how much trouble am I going to deal with in the future. Would it be wise to start over? I was confident all was square but mistake to happen. I will double check all measurement when I get home (right now at work). Thank you guys. Gandale wrote:Hi JG, Steve is spot on here. It certainly looks as if some of the ribs were not quite square to the keel, they don't have to be out by much to give you the alignment problem you are seeing. As Steve says, it isn't bad but we do need to ensure those mast holes line up correctly together and over the correct spots in the keel. A simple check you can do is starting from the bow, double check that the bow bulkhead is still square to the keel, then measure exactly the distance between each rib down one side and at the lower deck level, then measure the other side. The measurements should be exactly the same on both sides of the ship. Note these measurements on a sheet then we can see exactly what needs to be done.... If the measurements are spot on then the only other thing it could be is the keel is not quite straight... This looks as if simple adjustments to the next deck can be made but these adjustments may also need to be made on the next decks too.
Hope this helps
Regards
Alan In the workshop: HMS VictoryFinished builds: Providence Whaleboat
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Hi Gauncer, thanks for looking in on my sovereign build. I was just looking at your little problem,it looks to me like the bulkhead at the top of the pictures is out of square with the deck, is the bulkhead square to the keel? When you turn the ship over is the keel still straight. Man he took his time in the sun Had a dream to understand A single grain of sand He gave birth to poetry But one day will cease to be Greet the last light of the library...We were here!
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Hi JG, don't worry, as Steve says this is not bad at all but we need to take the right action here to stop the problem becoming bigger down the line. It's likely we can simply adjust the decks but lets make sure we adjust them the correct way.
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Alan
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Once I get back to my work beach, I need to take better pictures. I think some of my pix make the bulk heads look off center. I will keep you all posted on what I find. In the workshop: HMS VictoryFinished builds: Providence Whaleboat
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Alan, I took your suggestion to review my measurements, and squareness with the keel to the bulkheads. Happy with the squarness. I use calipers to check my ribs I was off a few point millimeters here and there but very close over all. I did notice my deck bords were warped slightly. I sanded edge where it made contact with the bulkhead/ribs. Everything lines up nicely now as you can see in the pictures. When I paint in the black for the gun deck why does the instructions say Not the paint the edges? What edges are the instructions specifying? Bulkhead edges, gun deck edges, or all edges? Why should one avoid painting the edges anyway? Thanks guys. 😃 Gauncer attached the following image(s): In the workshop: HMS VictoryFinished builds: Providence Whaleboat
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