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#1 Posted : 18 July 2015 20:30:01

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Pretty excited to get started on this! Laugh

So, this is my first ever build, aside from some cheap plastic car models I built as a kid 35-40 years ago. My plan (at this point) is to stick primarily with the official build. With a couple of small exceptions. For one, I personally like the look of some of the natural wood hulls I've seen, as opposed to the white hull. And I think I might give furled sails a shot, once I get to that point.

I liked the index that Gandale did on his build diary, so I'm going to reserve the rest of this post for that.

Well, wish me luck... Time to open the first packet. Huh

INDEX

Page.....Content
1 .......... Forward bulkhead, first cannon, laying the false keel, and fixing a mistake on rib 13.
2 .......... Bow infill, finishing 2 cannons, working on the ships launch.
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#2 Posted : 18 July 2015 22:26:58

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Stage 1: First Parts of the Hull and a Cannon

So I've got the bow former and supports attached to the forward bulkhead. I think I did a fair job of keeping everything square. I'm just hoping I used enough glue...



By pure chance, the two rules from these squares are exactly 4mm thick when combined...





Moving on to the cannon. Man, these parts are tiny and my fingers are... not...Laugh






I need to do a little sanding on the side of the gun carriage. But that's as far as I can go on that for now. I ordered the paint set but it hasn't arrived yet.

So, not a lot of progress, but I'm really enjoying it so far.BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin

Any and all comments are appreciated, and thanks for looking.

Tim
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#3 Posted : 18 July 2015 23:39:21

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BigGrin Nice start and looking greatCool
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#4 Posted : 18 July 2015 23:45:34

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Thanks! Encouragement is especially appreciated. Laugh
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#5 Posted : 18 July 2015 23:54:47

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Hi Tim, great to see you up and running with a build diary... Looks like you're off to a great start so well done.... On gluing the parts together, just lightly sand the black ash off all joining edges, apply a good layer of wood glue, preferably alphatic and wipe off any excess when placing parts together with a damp cloth. I will be following your progress all the way and am ready to assist should you need it... Cool Cool .. Good luck and enjoy the build....

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#6 Posted : 19 July 2015 00:02:33

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Thanks for the gluing advice, Gandale. Believe me, any advice I can get is most welcome! Good to know about removing the blackened wood first.

I've been following your build as well. It's beautiful! Love
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#7 Posted : 19 July 2015 03:04:13

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The nice thing (?) about the 12 month subscription is that you get the first 11 issues right off the bat. It let me look ahead a bit, and even work ahead a little too (more pics to come). But now I find myself at my first dilemma rather quickly.

Namely, I'm wondering if I should do the balsa fill thing on the bow and stern? I'm not sure if, on this particular model, it's especially helpful. Or would I be better served by first learning to plank the hull without filling (assuming my long term goal is to become proficient at building wooden ships).

I'm interested in other's thoughts on this.
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#8 Posted : 19 July 2015 08:21:35

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Hi there Tim...Great start there and all looking really good. As for the balsa in-fills? That is entirely up to the builder. I used balsa in-fills for the bow only, as this was the area where the planks would have most contact with the hull and having more sticking power to hold the planks in place equals more strength. You are really doing a fantastic job...Keep the pictures coming...
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Broven wrote:
The nice thing (?) about the 12 month subscription is that you get the first 11 issues right off the bat. It let me look ahead a bit, and even work ahead a little too (more pics to come). But now I find myself at my first dilemma rather quickly.

Namely, I'm wondering if I should do the balsa fill thing on the bow and stern? I'm not sure if, on this particular model, it's especially helpful. Or would I be better served by first learning to plank the hull without filling (assuming my long term goal is to become proficient at building wooden ships).

I'm interested in other's thoughts on this.


Hi Tim, when I started I found I had difficulty in actually picturing the complete shape of the hull especially around the bow and stern. Using balsa infills made the process a lot clearer. Infills for the bow and the stern will help you get the correct shape a lot easier and give the planks more surface to get a hold, there is no need to fill the rest of the hull. For a first build I would recommend using infills on these two areas....

Hope this helps.

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Alan
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BigGrin Welcome Tim to the forum . Nice start on your build ThumpUp

I would agree with Alan and jonny that balsa infills help the flow of the planks around the bow and stern

Keep up the good work and happy building Cool

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Welcone Tim, it looks like you have got off to a great start.

I am also doing my first ship build, Santisima Trinidad for me, if you take your time and follow the instructions as well as referring to others builds and the official build you cant really go wrong. Remember to measure multiple times too

Look forward to following Cool
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Hello Tim, always nice to see another sovereign build log,hope you enjoy the experience as much as I have. As for balsa infills I would recommend them at at the bow as there are a lot of tapered strakes (planks) terminating here.
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Thanks for the input and kind words everybody. BigGrin It looks like there is a consensus on using the balsa infills, so I'll be heading down to the craft store today at some point, hoping that they carry balsa wood. BigGrin

In the meantime, here are a couple more pics. I stayed up until 1am last night, essentially waiting for glue to dry. Laugh But I was able to read ahead a little and finish assembling the fake keel, a dry-dock, and a few rib frames.





I'm getting a lot of mileage out of these little bar clamps and the squares already. Laugh



The plan for the rest of the day (after I cut the grass) is to work on the bow infills and maybe prep and glue a few more rib frames.

Thanks folks. Happy building! BigGrin
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ThumpUp Cracking start Tim . The dry dock looks spot on Cool

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Hi Broven
Looking good so far, i have just used balsa in-fills on my Victory this weekend, not something i have done before either, what i have discovered is it is easier to trim back, before sanding starts, with an ordinary craft knife if the grain is running horizontally, hope this helps you in some way.
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Gibbo wrote:
Hi Broven
...what i have discovered is it is easier to trim back, before sanding starts, with an ordinary craft knife if the grain is running horizontally, hope this helps you in some way.
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Heheh. I literally just finished gluing the balsa in and then sat down to check this thread. Of course, I installed in vertically. LOL But that's a great tip. I can see how that would have made it easier. Well, I'll do it that way on the stern.

Thanks Paul BigGrin
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#17 Posted : 20 July 2015 10:32:17

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Great to see you underway Tim, jig looks spot on and one thing you will find is you cannot have enough clamps of various shapes and sizes, you'll be surprised how often you will use them and how many you will use..... Cool Cool .. Will be following....

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Broven wrote:
Gibbo wrote:
Hi Broven
...what i have discovered is it is easier to trim back, before sanding starts, with an ordinary craft knife if the grain is running horizontally, hope this helps you in some way.
Regards
Paul



Heheh. I literally just finished gluing the balsa in and then sat down to check this thread. Of course, I installed in vertically. LOL But that's a great tip. I can see how that would have made it easier. Well, I'll do it that way on the stern.

Thanks Paul BigGrin

Hi Broven
Just realised i wrote horizontally when i meant to write vertically, so you're spot on, trim the larger bits out from top to bottom and sand across the grain at 45 degrees, sanding across grain is harder work ( and who needs that ) and can split the wood quite easily.
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Disaster Avoided!

While installing rib 20, I noticed that it wasn't seating all of the way down. The problem was the keel bracing piece being ever so slightly off. An easy fix. But, having noticed that, I looked more closely at the ribs on either side of the previous keel brace. That's when I noticed rib 13 also hadn't seated fully - and the glue has been drying on that joint for 3 days! Blushing

Well, a little bit of white vinegar and a prayer or two to Poseidon and all is well. I was able to un-join the two parts without any real damage. Whew.

Lesson Learned! I think I'm going to have a drink and continue the build tomorrow...



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Hi Tim, progressing nicely and well done for spotting those ribs that weren't fully seated into the false keel.... Tip for you, if you are using wood glue then to unglue is a simple process. Take a small paint brush and some hot water. Paint the hot water over the glued seams and after a few minutes the hot water will seep into the joint softening the glue. Then you can simply separate the parts, give them a quick clean up and glue them back again.... Cool Cool .. Hope this helps.

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