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Jase's beginners ship building tutorial. HM Schooner Pickle Options
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#61 Posted : 31 August 2015 09:19:03

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stevie_o wrote:
Loving the effort going in to this to make it informative and useful to all builders, nice workBigGrin

Steve


Just nice to give back some of the little tips i have picked up over the years

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Fascinating Jase...Just a point of interest mate...Will you be tiling or going down the polished second planking route for display? Great work!! Loving it!!
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#63 Posted : 31 August 2015 10:49:21

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jonny7england wrote:
Fascinating Jase...Just a point of interest mate...Will you be tiling or going down the polished second planking route for display? Great work!! Loving it!!
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I will be copper tiling and talking throug varnising

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This is a great tutorial, but it just proves to me plastic is easier and far, far less complex, one lesson I learned from my one and only plank on frame build was know which woods to use on the planking I used balsa as my first planking then, ( not following instructions (the kit supplied lime and balsa for planking and you were supposed to use either or, I chose balsa as the first as I thought it would be easier to sand, as I knew the first planking would need a lot of sanding as it was my first attempt(stupidly thought the lime would make the kit stronger so used that as the second) looked ok when I went to bed, when I looked next day the lime had pulled the balsa off the frame anywhere I had sanded the balsa too thin, ( mine never looked as good as this on the first planking) not sure I would ever be upto a kit this complex.
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kpnuts wrote:
This is a great tutorial, but it just proves to me plastic is easier and far, far less complex, one lesson I learned from my one and only plank on frame build was know which woods to use on the planking I used balsa as my first planking then, ( not following instructions (the kit supplied lime and balsa for planking and you were supposed to use either or, I chose balsa as the first as I thought it would be easier to sand, as I knew the first planking would need a lot of sanding as it was my first attempt(stupidly thought the lime would make the kit stronger so used that as the second) looked ok when I went to bed, when I looked next day the lime had pulled the balsa off the frame anywhere I had sanded the balsa too thin, ( mine never looked as good as this on the first planking) not sure I would ever be upto a kit this complex.



They can be daunting, and thats why the Part work format works so well as you get it spelled out step by step, a beginner can build a much more complex kit with artwork support than they could without.

Glad your enjoying the post Cool

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Stern Counter and Wale.

The second layer of planking also needs to feed into the stern post. using the plans sand the planking down to the beading line to allow this fit.

We begin the second planking on the stern counter using the 1 x 4mm walnut strip. Make sure the tips butt up tightly to the stern post and have a small over hang of the outboard edge and the opening for the rudder. Ensure your planking goes beyond the top edge of the counter, you may need to cut the last plank in two along its length.

Mark out each plank to length as you go and cut using either a razor saw or sharp knife. run a thin bead of glue along the full length of the plank and spread evenly with a suitable spreader, I used a cocktail stick.

Not on glue. The instructions recommend using medium super glue for the second layer of planking. However this cures very quickly, almost instantly if the plank is wet. For first time builders I would recommend the continued use of the wood glue as this gives time to position planks and remove them if necessary.

Once the planking on the stern is set you can sand the outboard edges back into line. do not sand the top edge of the stern counter at this stage.






You now need to decide how you are going to display your model, as this will decide your options for fixing the second planking. If you are going to be painting your model and using the copper plates or simply painting the lower hull then you will have an opportunity to do some filling when sanding the planks smooth. If however you plan to show the model in natural wood you won't be able to use filler. If you won't be able to use filler you should not pin the second planking. If you chose to pin the second planking do so only where there are ribs.

I will be both painting and copper plating my model, however I will be planking without the use of pins to show the method.

We start the planking of the hull with the placing the wale. mark out the position in pencil using the plans. the first plank laid is 2mm between the first and last gunport but will be 1.5mm passing the middle gunports. using the steam method described previously bend the bow end of your strip to form the needed curve. apply glue to the full length and clamp the first strip in place. repeat on the other side.



The second plank fits directly underneath. To keep the planking tight together use map pins at the rib points to hold the plank in position. you may need to use clamps also. repeat on the other side.



Once set lightly rub down the two strips to remove any glue or uneven surface areas ready for the next planks. The third plank sits on top of the second to double the thickness. form the plank and use the map pins to ensure the plank sits perfectly in line and clamp the plank in place until dry. repeat on the other side.



The next strip is 0.5 x 4mm and sits on top of the first plank laid. Agin form and fit the plank using clamps to old in position. Once set use some medium sandpaper to remove any lips and then sand the upper surfaces with a fine sandpaper till smooth removing any glue. repeat on the other side.




You can now cut out the two forward gunport on each side. mark out with a pencil and carefully cut open with a razor saw.



We will continue planking in the next post.

All comments and thoughts welcome

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BigGrin Yet another brilliant tutorial on planking Jase loving all the tips Cool

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Martyn Ingram wrote:
BigGrin Yet another brilliant tutorial on planking Jase loving all the tips Cool

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Thanks Matey, glad your enjoying the build.

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Amazing work here!!
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Another great tutorial Jase,I'm learning something new with each post. Especially like the tip to use pins to hold the planks tight against each other while the glue dries.
happy building
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RogerThornhill wrote:
Amazing work here!!


Many thanks for looking in
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daffy09 wrote:
Another great tutorial Jase,I'm learning something new with each post. Especially like the tip to use pins to hold the planks tight against each other while the glue dries.
happy building
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Glad your getting somthing out of it. Thank you for looking in
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I may just have to get this boat - this is such a great tutorial!
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I may just have to get this boat - this is such a great tutorial!



Many thanks for the nice feedback Roger. I should have more pics and a video up at the weekend as we progress through the second layer of planking.

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The second layer of planking continues down the hull from the bottom the whales. The first two or three planks do not need any tapering. the kit instructions ask you to continue to plank as per the first layer down to the keel. My preferred method however is put a keel plank in early on. If like me you are going to plate the hull then the arrangement of the secound planking is not important. what you are trying to achieve is a good smooth hull finish for the copper tiles. You can plank in an arrangement that suits you sanding smooth and filling any gaps on completion. Just like the first planking pins can be used to avoid creating holes in the upper planking.







If however you want to display the hull with a varnished wood hull you need to take much more care in how you lay the planking. This is my preferred method. Having played the first few planks lay a keel plank. Then calculate the number of planks you need to cover the widest gap between the keel plank and the planks you have laid.



You can see in the above photo that I have calculated another 11 planks are needed. now measure the gap just the same at the bow and the stern and divide by 11. this will give you the width of each plank to be able to lay an even plank pattern the full length of the hull. dray fit each plank bending it to shape and adding a shampooer along the edge as required to achieve a good tight fit.

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BigGrin Hi Jase

Im guessing by now the copper tiling is well under way so will you be leaving the wood natural with just a varnish finish or painting her and will you be weathering the copper tiles.

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arpurchase wrote:
BigGrin Hi Jase

Im guessing by now the copper tiling is well under way so will you be leaving the wood natural with just a varnish finish or painting her and will you be weathering the copper tiles.

Regards

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Hi Andy yes i am adding the copper tiles i am trying to get a hed so i can post more regularly if that makes sense i shoud be posting more on sunday

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Completing the lower hull.

Once you have completed the second layer of Planking you need to decide how you are finishing your hull, as this will dictate the next preparation steps. Typically your options are Varnish, Paint or copper plate. This section with deal with paint and varnish.

First thing to get clear is that preparation is a good 75% of the finished result, cutting corners will effect the end result.

Varnish
If you are varnishing the hull you need to carefully sand smooth. Do not use corse abrasives no matter how tempting it is to quickly remove material. Corse abrasive will leave scratches behind that will take a long time to remove. it is better to use a medium abrasive around a 240 grit and gradually go finer to say 320 grit. Varnish, like paint, will lift the wood grain, so you will need to either lay down your chosen varnish, sand again before a final two coats; or us a sanding sealer, sand gently and apply varnish. Ideally you want a contrast between the lower and upper hull. if your model is going to be all natural wood, then the main body of the ship should be matt or satin varnish, this will look more natural. The lower hull can then be hi-gloss to show the distinction.

having sanded your hull smooth apply the first layer of varnish or sanding sealer and then rub down with a 600 grit abrasive. Important note, your abrasive must be virgin so as to not drive dirt and dust into the wood which will make the varnish surface rough. remove all the sanding dust with a vacuums cleaner and then lay down your first cant of varnish. let the varnish dry and inspect the finish. You may chose to sand again with an 800 or 1000 grit abrasive to remove any imperfections in the surface. then varnish again. You can lay down the varnish with a wide flat brush or an airbrush for a finer finish. Once happy with your glass coat you may wish to to use a liquid gloss polish for a hi-shean, products such as micro-gloss are ideal for this.

Paint
You may chose to paint your hull. in this case you have the option of using filler before sanding. look for a fine filler such as super filler that will fill wood grain and abrasions. The preparation of the hull is largely the same as for varnish, your aim is to have the smoothest hull possible before applying paint. Once you are happy with the filling and sanding you need to lay down the primer. A spray primer from a rattle can is a good option such as Halfords primers. if you are planning to paint the hull white then try and chose a white primer, as darker primers may show through white paint, especially if brush painting. if however you are painting the hull Copper or any other colour a grey primer will add depth to the colour. Lay a first prime and then rub down with a 1000 grit wet and dry. remove any sanding residue before a final prime. Follow the same process with the paint, lay down a first coat, sand with 1000 grit wet n dry and paint again. once the paint is dry, ideally 24 hours, you can then seal this with a varnish.

Which ever way you decide to go you will have to mark out the waterline after you have sanded the hull and before you add your first preparation. I use the Amati water line tool for this job, however it is easy enough to make your own with a pencil and some rod. The instructions give you the depth of the waterline, but do refer to the plans also.

In the next update we will deal with copper plating the hull in detail.
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Hi Jase.
Looking very nice. keep thee pictures coming Ian. Cool BigGrin
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Copper platting the hull.

Some model kits will give you the option to copper plate the hull, Caldercrafts Pickle is one of these kits. Applying the cooper plates can be an laborious task especially on bigger kits but the end result is well worth the effort.

This is my method...

First the hull prep is important, just like painting you need a smooth surface. fill any gaps in the planking and give everything a good sand smooth. Remove all the dust so you have a clean dry substriaght for the copper tiles. The next job is to mark out the waterline as described previously. I like to then paint this in as this will help later on when marking part tiles that need cutting.

You can start by laying full tiles in the middle of the water line and gradually work out and towards the keel or as i prefer start from the keel and work towards the water line, which I think gives a better end result and is easier to cut the last few tiles. The kit should give you guidance on how the tiles are aligned. On Pickle each row is staggered by half the length of a tile just like laying bricks.

Different model builders have different views on the best adhesive to use I have tried a number of different types and my preference is a gel CA such as Zap PT-26. I find that a gel can be decanted and left for up to 2 hours without starting to cure but will bond very quickly. Also a gel can be spread on the back of the tile with a cocktail stick easily to ensure you have adhesive evenly covering all the tile and makes a lot less mess.



Keep laying tiles filling the hull with full tiles and keeping then straight. if the shape of the hull wants the tile to start forming a banana shape let a gap begin to form, we will fill this later.


Once you have covered the hull with as many full tiles as possible we have to begin to fill the gaps. The way to do this is trace the shape needed and cut the tile to that shape. I find using a clear tape such as Scotch pressure sensitive tape works best for this job. press a piece of tape over the area that needs a cut tile and mark out the edges. You can easily cut the tile with sharp scissors or using a fresh blade in your craft knife on a hard cutting surface.






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