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#241 Posted : 18 January 2016 20:06:57

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Colson, here is a sketch of an old trick to make simulated can lights that provide that focused spot of light light you see on all the screen shots of the Falcon with the landing lights on (Scale doll houses). Just a plain old round LED will have to bright of a light and the light will "scatter" all directions. About 3/8" length of tube and a 1/4" length of acrylic rod with the SMD glued to the top. The higher the grit of sand paper to smooth the ends of the acrylic round will control light intensity and brightness. Polish the end with 2500 grit and it is a focused beam of light. Once it is all assembled, paint all of it inside with a couple coats of flat black to light block the inside. I am using 3/16" , 1/4" and 5/16" diameter acrylic rod for my three different sizes like shown on the Haynes Manual.



Yes, that's essentially what I was thinking of doing. A styrene tube and the rod could be placed inside just slightly set back so the flood lights look recessed. I think I probably will be doing this. Just gotta decide on what I feel is the correct diameter of the lights based on the model scale and go from there. I've already got SMD LEDs on order.



I used: http://www.eplastics.com/extruded-plexiglass-acrylic-rod

Diameters were so limited I went with small @ 3/16" (.187"), the medium lights around the loading dock door I am using 1/4" (.250") and for the six large I went with 5/16" (.312"). The rod diameter becomes the visible hole diameter once the tube has been glued in a sanded flush with the hull surface. I ended up getting a large variety of sizes of ABS tubing, with differing OD-ID's( combo's of wall thickness) to find the right "sleeves" for the acrylic rods. Good ol' eBay and China! Only the final finished ID of the tubing will matter.

I might add that with all my experimenting with building these little can lights, I found that the acrylic had to be at least a 1/4" long and the best recess depth was about an 1/8 of an inch, any deeper and the light was just a dot with very little light dispersion around it, and then it looked artificial. Funny how the most time we spend modeling is working through our failed experiments, concepts and ideas.
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#242 Posted : 19 January 2016 17:10:48

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So upon further thinking about the whole floodlight issue, I am going to wait a while before going forward however. Not knowing how this model is going together, where the circuit board may go that's included to run the kit lights and motor, I think I need to see how the lights will work within the kit. Which means I may have to wait very well towards close to the end. I just don't want to put stuff in and have it interfere with the kit build.
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#243 Posted : 19 January 2016 23:16:41

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So I have collected many screen captures of the Falcon to nail down light positions and such. Upon viewing again, there are also 2 flood lights in the center between the mandibles, which I've highlighted in red in the photo here. You can see them lit in the scene in ESB where Luke is saying goodbye to Han on Hoth as they're preparing for battle. Han is standing in that area with the lights on behind him.


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#244 Posted : 19 January 2016 23:28:38

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Are you sure that isn't the concussion missile tubes? I will have to dig my movies out and watch them more closely...

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#245 Posted : 20 January 2016 00:13:59

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Definitely Lights



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#246 Posted : 20 January 2016 00:17:27

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I just didn't post the screen cap because I've been warned by admin not to do that.
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#247 Posted : 20 January 2016 00:28:01

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colson wrote:
I just didn't post the screen cap because I've been warned by admin not to do that.


Just read the rules Blushing and i have just put a comment at the bottom of the picture. So hopefully it will comply with rules.
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#248 Posted : 20 January 2016 00:44:40

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Awesome to see confirmation on those lights. I think those are like part of the landing lights. Only turned on when landing or in park. Or maybe they're just the low beams haha.
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#249 Posted : 20 January 2016 01:23:44

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Vex wrote:
Awesome to see confirmation on those lights. I think those are like part of the landing lights. Only turned on when landing or in park. Or maybe they're just the low beams haha.



I'm going to make all of the flood lights run separately from the rest of the ship. They are only used when docked.
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#250 Posted : 20 January 2016 04:37:06

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Definitely lights... ok where do the missiles come out then? No covers for missile tubes that I can see in that cap. Just a cheap easy way to light the set for that scene? DeAgo said it will provide 4 lights on the lower hull to light it underneath. With all the fiber and leds we are planning on running is there going to be enough room?

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#251 Posted : 20 January 2016 05:26:08

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Nytetrain wrote:
Definitely lights... ok where do the missiles come out then? No covers for missile tubes that I can see in that cap. Just a cheap easy way to light the set for that scene? DeAgo said it will provide 4 lights on the lower hull to light it underneath. With all the fiber and leds we are planning on running is there going to be enough room?

Ron


This is on my practice Falcon. It was designed after ANH but I can't find it on the 5 foot model. So when and how this was decided I don't know. But this is the best explanation I have for you.

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#252 Posted : 20 January 2016 17:49:22

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So here's another little snag I discovered.


I took my scan of the Falcon lights from the Haynes manual and printed it out in sections at actual size to put over my model to get the exact correct locations for the floods and accurate scale. As you can see in this photo of a section.








So here's the REAL problem. There are holes already in the hull in ALL 4 locations of the large floods on either side of the docking rings, which can be seen in my photos below. I believe, upon looking at these holes, that they may be where screws will be going to connect the upper and lower sections together. But even is for something else, the problem is, the floods cannot be accurately placed in these locations. In front of the holes, closer to the outer edge there is metal frame interfering unless you go much further out. Other side of the holes, closer to center, I'm concerned that it could compromise the integrity of the holes already there in supporting the build, and again, metal frame may interfere due to the size of the holes. This is why I've decided to wait until much further into the build to see what else is going on inside. The outer smaller floods seem to be in positions that should be ok, and don't seem to interfere with the metal frame at all. It's the four on either side of the docking rings that are the issue.






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#253 Posted : 20 January 2016 18:16:10

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If the holes are located that close to the correct positions for the lights, I'm hopeful that they are actually for the lights, and not for attaching the halves. (Although I'm very curious how the top and bottom will eventually be attached and how the hold + corridors will be attached).

Do those 4 lights appear on the 32" filming model, or were they only on the full-scale exterior sets?

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#254 Posted : 20 January 2016 18:59:42

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If the holes are located that close to the correct positions for the lights, I'm hopeful that they are actually for the lights, and not for attaching the halves. (Although I'm very curious how the top and bottom will eventually be attached and how the hold + corridors will be attached).

Do those 4 lights appear on the 32" filming model, or were they only on the full-scale exterior sets?




All of the floods are on the set Falcon only. None appear on either the 32" or 5' models. Not even the red running lights appear on the models. Any shots of the Falcon flying in the films, you only see the engine and headlights in the cave. The holes in the DeAgostini kit are much to small to be for the flood lights. To be accurate, they'd need to be about 3x the size. So if they are for lights, they're not to scale.
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Maybe it just seems obvious to me, but those look like holes for lights. Considering they are in the near correct location and there are screw studs on each side of the holes on the inside for mounting the LEDs. Also looking at the Haynes manual photo. Those flood lights look like they have a dome housing. Maybe that's the plan, LEDs bolted in shining through the hole with larger some housing that go on the outside to make them look bigger. If not doing something like that yourself would be easy enough.

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#256 Posted : 20 January 2016 20:11:13

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Metal Mech wrote:
Maybe it just seems obvious to me, but those look like holes for lights. Considering they are in the near correct location and there are screw studs on each side of the holes on the inside for mounting the LEDs. Also looking at the Haynes manual photo. Those flood lights look like they have a dome housing. Maybe that's the plan, LEDs bolted in shining through the hole with larger some housing that go on the outside to make them look bigger. If not doing something like that yourself would be easy enough.


You may be right. If those holes are for flood lights, then I'll be removing their holes and making them the correct scale. If you look at my one picture above, where I laid a printout on the model, you can see how much larger the floods really are. Quite a bit. Although they are about the same size as the other floods around the front and back. But if that's what those holes are for, that'll make it easier.

And if you look at screen caps from the actual film, there are no domes on the floods. They are recessed lighting. You can see inside of them.
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While we're looking at your picture, is no one else thinking what I am? Why weren't the landing gear covers just made to look like the retracted landing gear as seen everywhere?
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LeviathanPrime wrote:
While we're looking at your picture, is no one else thinking what I am? Why weren't the landing gear covers just made to look like the retracted landing gear as seen everywhere?



I am waiting to see how detailed the landing gear is but for sure we are going to have to scratch build the tri-panel landing bay doors. I am really hoping that someone can design a set of 3D printed ones.
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I am so loving these falcon builds. You builders are so into this spaceship and your knowledge is absolutly amazing.

I can see you are having great fun with this one nearly as much as me as a non builder reading your posts.

Full credit to Deagostini for launching this one when they did because from what i am reading it could be judged as model of the year (or century BigGrin )

Hope you all continue to get great pleasure from building this one
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#260 Posted : 20 January 2016 22:42:17

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LeviathanPrime wrote:
While we're looking at your picture, is no one else thinking what I am? Why weren't the landing gear covers just made to look like the retracted landing gear as seen everywhere?





You are correct. Looking at my photos in post 221, you do see the pads of the landing gear. Unless that photo is just completely straight down and they are supposed to be out? But they do seem to be retracted.
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