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#1 Posted : 05 October 2010 17:36:28

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Good day all

A question for the experienced - I have my volume 6 and as you know it comes with the launch. I have built the jig and obviously I am to start the planking next.BigGrin
I have read the blogs about the ways to bend the planks , i.e. water soaking as apposed to the plank bender which I understand has a little or not so little blade in it to cut grooves into the planks and so bending the planks. Huh
In your opinions, as a new builder which would be better, the cutter or soaking. I am not asking this as a preferred way of bending but as an advised way to a new builder. Confused I really dont have the money to go and buy replacement parts if I stuff it up completely.LOL
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#2 Posted : 05 October 2010 17:44:29

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im not an experienced builder by any means but have actualy tried both methods and found that water bending is the more favourable choice.

the blank bender is okay in thicker peices, but for such thin parts like the launch water soaking is far better as it minimises the risk of accidentaly going right through.
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#3 Posted : 05 October 2010 17:56:00

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Even if using the plank bender supplied it is still advisable to soak thicker planks before bending to soften the wood fibres and minimise planks breaking when bending. I personally would go for the soaking in warm water rather than the plank bender. It's a matter of personal choice really.BigGrin
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#4 Posted : 05 October 2010 18:11:39

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I've only ever tried using hot water for plank bending and it always works fine for me. I'll knock up a jig though like Zeptraders for the bow planks. That will save time by enabling me to do several at once.
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#5 Posted : 05 October 2010 18:14:56

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For planking the launch, I found it easier to soak the planks for a while and using the forefinger and thumb...gently bend and tease the wood into the preferred shape, but be very gentle...Hope this helps...
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I simply used steam from a boiling kettle and a cock-tail shaker for bending. You don't need to cut the planks for the launch.

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#7 Posted : 05 October 2010 18:51:09

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Thanks guys - sounds like the water torture way IS the way.

1 further question then - water and wood dont normally mix well - what about warping?
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Don't think that you find the wood warping on this part of your build...
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hi wilberforce..if your planks are secure enough warping wont be an issue but saying that i had a problem with shrinkage..the next day i noticed daylight between a couple of joints after they had dried out and i know i butted them tightly...good luck paul
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benny wrote:
hi wilberforce..if your planks are secure enough warping wont be an issue but saying that i had a problem with shrinkage..the next day i noticed daylight between a couple of joints after they had dried out and i know i butted them tightly...good luck paul


Right - so warping can be avoided but shrinkage can be an issue - i know we might need to use filler but we would want to keep it to a minimum, so thanks for pointing that out. Has anyone built a jig to bend the planks pre - fixing to the frame?
Or has someone come up with a plan like using a soda bottle to bend into shape allowing for the shrinkage?
You guys are a god send with advise BigGrin
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Wilberforce wrote:
benny wrote:
hi wilberforce..if your planks are secure enough warping wont be an issue but saying that i had a problem with shrinkage..the next day i noticed daylight between a couple of joints after they had dried out and i know i butted them tightly...good luck paul


Right - so warping can be avoided but shrinkage can be an issue - i know we might need to use filler but we would want to keep it to a minimum, so thanks for pointing that out. Has anyone built a jig to bend the planks pre - fixing to the frame?
Or has someone come up with a plan like using a soda bottle to bend into shape allowing for the shrinkage?
You guys are a god send with advise BigGrin



I use a pint glass and old fashioned wooden spring-loaded pegs. The curve obtained isn't the exact radius, but it can be manipulated (ate a dictionary for breakfast BigGrin )to the right shape.
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The planks for the launch are thin enough to be bent dry. Just use the handle of your modelling knife, with your thumb on top of the plank, and the plank over the handle of the knife, gently slide it through your thumb and you will find that the bend acheived will be sufficient for the purpose of planking the bow. Give it a try.
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Warm water works for me, no problems at all. just soak for about twenty mins.
For the bend to fit the bow I used a roll of masking tape as the template and clamped 3 planks at a time and left overnight to dry & set.
To avoid gaps between the planking lightly clamp them together being careful not to damage the edges. I also invested in a small steam cleaner, very useful for ungluing and repositioning any wayward planks.
Good luck with your build.BigGrin
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#14 Posted : 05 October 2010 21:23:18

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Thanks for the advice chaps, I now feel ready to tackle my first ever planking job. I like the pint glass and peg plan, but will try some of the other tricks as well. Thanks again everyone.
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#15 Posted : 06 October 2010 11:15:57

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I'm a RANK novice but having recently planked my St Roch, I can tell you that using the plank-bender caused me to almost sand a hole in the hull! The planks were fairly thin to begin with, but the indentations from the plank-bender blades meant that the wood was effectively much thinner.

Needless to say, that doesn't matter much if the hull is double-planked, but the Victory isn't.

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#16 Posted : 06 October 2010 11:30:15

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I soak mine in warm or hot water, depending how stiff the material is, the stiffer, the hotter the water for about 20/30 Min's

Remove from the water, and bend around a Carte D'or Ice cream tub lid, which in our case is almost the shape of the Bow of the Victory.

I leave them to dry overnight, then while planking, I soak and bend more, plus the ice cream is awesome Drool



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#17 Posted : 06 October 2010 11:55:39

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when i did the launch i soaked or rather dipped in warm water and ran it thru my thumb and index finger. Then dry(no glue used) fitted to test it. This method was really quick and easy. The 'main hull' is a different beast. Larger and thicker. So easier and harder at the same time. Opposite to the launch. Its not the bending but shaping that does my nut in. Hence the need for a 'sanity certified' certificate. Bending is easier i found with thin planks shaping was horrid. Opposite will prob ring out on the 'Vic's hull. Its easy to take too much off the thin planks for shaping them.
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#18 Posted : 06 October 2010 12:27:07

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Hi Plankers
I have found the Vic's planks easier than the thinner double planking on HMS Beagle. I was apprehensive about the thicker planks.
I use the water soak and soldering iron method. Warm water or a spot of washing-up liquid shortens the soak period but a few mins seems to work with plain water. I always preselect the planks carefully. Some bend easier than others and easier one way than the other. The plank is then adjusted for "tumblehome" or tapering usually with a sanding block, with frequent offering up if required.

After soaking, I wipe the excess water off, offer up and mark where the bend starts and tightens up with a pencil. Then with the soldering iron clamped in the vice I "rock and rub" the plank backwards and forwards with judicial pressure to induce the bend. Offer up again and repeat the rocking process until the bend is near enough. A twist can be added too if required.

I find that if I soak the next plank while the previous is bent and fixed the process is continuous and quite quick.BigGrin

Hope this helps

T

p.s. I'm just starting the masts and yards on Beagle in preparation for the rigging which is going to be a different sort of fun to planking.Laugh
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The most simplest and easiest way is to get yourself a thermoflask, fill it with boiling water from the kettle, and have your model to hand. Drop the plank into the flask, leave it for about a minute (yes, just one minute is fine!) and then take it out and bend it round the part of the hull you are planking.
Dead easy and works and absolute treat for me.

Regards,
Tom
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Tiswas wrote:
The planks for the launch are thin enough to be bent dry. Just use the handle of your modelling knife, with your thumb on top of the plank, and the plank over the handle of the knife, gently slide it through your thumb and you will find that the bend acheived will be sufficient for the purpose of planking the bow. Give it a try.
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Thanks Tiswas, I completed the planking of the launch last week and I used this trick to bend the planks. Yes I broke a couple as I can sometimes be over zealous, it does not look quite like Tomicks but I am sure it would float BigGrin Thanks for the tips - I reallyLove this whole forum BigGrin
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