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Hi all,
After recently aquiring an Airbrush kit from a certain well known auction website (at a very reasonable price I might add) for use with my OO gauge trains, I was wondering if anyone plans to use an airbrush to paint their build and if they do, are the paints from DeAg's shop suitable for use in an airbrush?
Cheers in advance
Kev
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KevinWalsh wrote:Hi all,
....are the paints from DeAg's shop suitable for use in an airbrush?
Cheers in advance
Kev Hi I think, that those paint are far too thick for airbrush. So you need to dilute them to consistency of milk (as you have to do with almost all modellers paints - maybe except Vallejo air paints), and then you need to prime the wood - I think. So far I was painting non primed wood using paintbrush and I'm very happy with results. Prem Dyner
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Personally, as first large period ship build, I would avoid going the route of airbrushing, simply because your model will in effect become an expensive test piece, you would be better off honing airbrushing skills on something smaller at less expense. Ultimately airbrushing skill is something that comes with experience which is generally achieved over a number of model builds, and is not just a case of paint application but also careful surface preparation and masking, certainly airbrishing the Victory would be a steep learning curve; thats not to say don't have a go, more a case of pointing out that airbrushing your Victory might be something you might wish you had not started.
For my diary build the model is being brush painted, simply because the majority of builders will go this route.
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Hi, I agree with the others here, I have used airbrushes for years but only for weathering military vehicles, terrain and strangely enough painting cavalry horses! I did “have a go” at using my airbrush on the Mayflower I built a few years ago but as Tomick points out the masking involved made the task a chore more then something I enjoyed.
As for the paints I agree with the PDyner's post - most paints are far to thick for airbrushes I haven’t used Admiralty paints with my airbrush but in general I use a 5:1 ratio when thinning them down.
Phil
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To airbrush or not? I have had enough problems with bleed under masking tape on the cutter when using a paint brush. If one goes down the airbrush route I think sealing the surface first would be desirable as the thinner airbrush paint will be even more likely to bleed. What say the experts?
Bleeding definitely seems to be a problem with wooden models even with stains so I shall be sealing before painting any wooden surface even priming metal ones to achieve a good surface for painting.
Laury
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I know I have asked this question to Alan in a earlier post but would it be OK to airbrush the smaller parts like the lifeboats or launches, anchors and if the admiralty paints are too thick what would be a good airbrush paint for the smaller wood parts and the metal parts in the modelspace Victory kit Ronald
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 Hi All No matter how good the masking tape and I use Tamiya's all the time some bleed will occur if you just press it in place the amount depends upon how much you seal the edge to the model. One way of preventing this is to seal the edge of the masking tape with the color under the edge of the masking tape. For instance say the color under the masking tape is royal blue use a brush to coat along the edge of the masking tape with that color leave to dry then apply the desired color onto the non masked area this will stop the bleed under the tape if sealed properly with the paint. I also agree about the paint needing to be thinned down to a milky consistency for airbrush use I even thin down Vallejo's Model Air paint slightly. That being said for a period ship build I would recommend going down the brush painting route the real ship would have been brush painted so to get the same effect so should your model. As for Airbrushing the smaller parts you can do this if you wish but they could start looking different to the rest of the model when finished, using a brush would probably be quicker anyway but its up to yourself really Hope this helps. Regards Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Ok thanks Andy I asked that question because I watched Bobby from Gennessis models paint the launches but haven't seen the fellow from modelSpace airbrushed any Victory parts yet but you are right they hand painted everything back in that era,one more question is the admiralty paints brush friendly like Vallejo paints are Ronald
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 Hi Ronald The Admiralty Paints are designed for brush application and give a great finish if used this way, I bought the Victory set for my Agamemnon build and can say the paint looks good on her. Hope this answers your question. Regards Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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ronald305 wrote: Ok thanks Andy I asked that question because I watched Bobby from Gennessis models paint the launches but haven't seen the fellow from modelSpace airbrushed any Victory parts yet but you are right they hand painted everything back in that era,one more question is the admiralty paints brush friendly like Vallejo paints are Ronald Ronald If i was you i would stick with brush painting as its less likely to give you any problems. Genesis models web site while very informative and interesting tends to concentrate on advanced techniques. If you look through some of the great victory build diaries on this forum there are very few that have airbrushed but does the end result look any less for that - no. Bear in mind that air brushing puts the thinnest possible paint layer down so unless your base is 100% perfect every ding, chip, fault will stand out like the proverbial "sore thumb" Happy Modelling
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Ok thanks Andy and tony Ronald
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i've just started to try using an airbrush and sometimes it looks great and other times I totally mess it up and not sure how. also for the small parts I wait until a have a good collection or its not worth the hassle of loading up the airbrush with paint then cleaning it out afterwards. I've started hunting out cheap model kits at car boot sales to practice my painting on. I use the vallejo paints as mentioned in this post Current builds: HMS Victory, hachette black pearl, DC-3, R2-D2, Millennium Falcon
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This is an interesting discussion. I sort of sit in both camps on this. As others have said I generally would paint the woodwork of a period ship, but increasingly see the benefit of airbrush for certain jobs. I think much of the metalwork can be airbrushed and this gives an advantage with finish too. Increasing use of photo etch in wooden models gives more options regarding how to paint. On the DeAg Victory I think you certainly could airbrush the volume metal parts such as the cannons and even the gallery balustrades and items such as the hammock net frames. As long as they are all painted in the same paint system and ideally at the same time you should have no problem, obvously this is much easier to do with the full kit versions rather than the subscriptions where parts are trickling in over time. I would stick to painting the ships boats by brush. Jase “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.” -Mark Twain
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Hi Guys. I Am another modeller that sits in both camps on this post Having used spray gun to do the hull of my 1/200 Bismarc. also to spray my Victory Hull White before copper tiling. I agree with Jase to use spray gun on smaller parts of Victory build and may be the gun port wriggles. I would personally hand paint the Victory Hull Stripes as there are steps and fenders areas where a spray gun may clog into to. Ian Current builds.Hachettes build the bismark,HMS Victory, HMS Hood. Finished Builds Corel HMS Victory cross section.
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