Hi Tomick,
That is exactly what I meant in my original post.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but it only comes with experience.
The practical skills we have learned from our build programme so far will remain with us for a very long time and stand us all in good stead for any future builds we may pursue.
CMB

not to start an arguement but tomicks comment about novice builders isnt exactly.....accurate.

my partner is attempting the 4ft titanic and is using many upgrade kits from plastic parts to metal parts, he is doing exceptionally well so far and its his first wooden ship model. its the mantua one so the instructions arent that great, a single poorly translated line of text n a picture.

i know i know, i just meant to say tht there are some people new to the hobby who oculd do it. im not one of them, but we have to give them credit at some point lol.

anyway my materials for the working rudder have been delivered so i should crack on and upload pics about it later on.

I should understand it then Mr T.
Being a Brummie I have been told I speak pigeon English.

Bob

Agreeing with Mr T on this one. If you check out any website for the AL Victory you will see that it does say 'For the EXPERIENCED buider' most of us are newbies at building Wooden Ships and should stick with it.

As for myself, I am painting and intend to copper the hull, so the wood creates no problem. CWMB do a great range of wood at very reasonable costs. and if you buy the really thin 0.5mm or less in thickness, I cant see double planking being a problem!

I Must say the only thing that has peed me off, No wood for the lower deck, Draw it on with a Pencil! But Im sure the Bounty kit from years ago did that as well!!

Just to add my little bit...every kit you buy or part works there is an element that not everyone will be happy with, that's part of the hobby as I see it...its to add your own mark to it, its a basis in which to build, build in your own style, and everyone's ship here and where ever around the world this publication in available will have there own interpretation of the HMS Victory, that's where we learn and add to our own library of knowledge, knowledge to build again, in a better way or something new.

The added part here is english instruction, online help and some really interesting history.

Kit bashing or scratch building is again all part of the hobby, get stuck in, its fun..is'nt it?

I for one enjoy this hobby, first steps for a beginner or a chance for an experienced modeller to have a go at one of the most famous ship in history.

And dont forget October 21st, this Thursday.

Time to chuck in my "two penneth"...I personaly have never had any probs with ...supplies or replacements....as for the dark wood not being supplied for the lower hull .....i'm going to get the copper....so the wood finish is not important to me....i know it is to others....coz they will have to stain it....but all in all it is a great kit....and it is the perfect introduction to model ship building....if there was not a mag with step by step instructions...i know that i would not even atempt it and the on line help is a solid bonus....all in all ....it's perfect for begineers and experts alike.....yup it ain't cheep (but what wooden ship of this size is?).....and what you have at the end of the build....is a big display model to be proud of ....if there is a down side i fail to see it.....imho

Ok my latin is rusty - to be only evil how in the making ??

damn google translate, it didnt work right.

Was ment to be

"Things are only as bad as you make them."

really strange i get a differant result when i double check what it creates

Hi Shipmates.
Nice to see some positive comments for a change as this forum was in serious danger of becoming a Whinger's Wailathon. For myself I have the TV ad. (and this forum) to thank for getting me back to HMS Beagle, bought and abandoned, some years since. She is now looking quite good (if you don't look to close at some pieces of detail). But for a first build, and from a kit with questionable instructions with lots of plans but wood descriptions all in Italian!! At least I now know where to get replacement supplies if I do screw it up big-time or, as is the case, they have not supplied enough strip or dowel because as I suspect the instructions could also be wrong!!

So my conclusion is that we must have died and gone to Heaven with this DeAg build.
There is plenty of material supplied (may be enough for a small scratch build at the end) and it does what it should do, like bend in the case of planking. After the hastle I had with the thin double planking on Beagle, Victory has been a dream and I do not want to hear about double planking in future. Perhaps D.P. is used 'cos the materials are so poor and 2 goes are required as a result!! Perhaps DeAg is continuing below the waterline with lime planking because it is so good, and the harder woods would be more of a problem. In which case they have my vote. I also hope they will continue with the detailed advice on tapering planks. I had to work it out for myself on Beagle and, believe me, I needed 2 layers. The second to cover up the filler on the first. In fact it was more like 3, as I stripped half of the 2nd layer and started again!! Now it is sanded and has the first coat of varnish it looks good but the wood has roughened with the varnish, so it is going to get a rub-back with 600 wet and dry, used dry, and a second coat applied. It will then emulate the proverbial babies bottom. (Pics in Other Builds shortly)

I hope the instructions for the rigging will emulate that for the planking, as I am doing battle with Beagle's rigging at the moment which is very complicated to say the least with the various blocks and dead-eyes, not to mention the routes of the various stays and sheets later on. I now know what is meant about "learning the ropes"!

So DeAg., keep up the good work and any whining whingers, try to understand the quality control problems that a project like this involves. A small number of defects will get through, and it is unfortunate if you are the unlucky recipient, but at least DeAg accept this with their no quibble policy that replaces the part.

God bless DeAg, and long may HMS Victory sail from thier warehouse.