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hi can someone please tell me the dimensions of the supplied planks for the victory? im only on 13 atm so a few more dispatches away but im looking and using the traditional method of trennails to attatch the planking as well as glues.
trying to go for as realistic look as possible but need to know the planking dimensions in order or source the relevant doweling.
also what wood is the real victory hull made of? it splips my mind.
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Hi, The planking in the build is 5mm x 2mm and Victory was constructed from approximately 6000 trees, 90% of which was oak. This equates to 100 acres (40 hectares) of woodland. Hull thickness at waterline - approximately 2ft (0.6m) Timber types used for hull - oak, elm, and fir. Timber for masts & yards - fir, pine & spruce. Lignum Vitae - small quantities used for various applications Hope that helps Happy Building, Russ On the workbench: My Victory Build Diary - Victory Cross Section Build Diary - Black Pearl Build DiaryUnder the Bench: Millenium Falcon, Black Pearl x 2, Coral Victory Cross Section, De Lorean
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Assuming a trenail was 1" (just a guess) then your scale ones will have to be about 0.3mm to be in scale.
This can be done by drilling some progressivly small holes in a piece of steel (tool steel or carbon steel would be ideal). Then draw bamboo splinters through them to make the fine dowel. If you glue them in a 0.3mm hole, you can just snap them off and them will be flush with the face of the plank.
Challenging, but not impossible.
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trenail a wooden dowel holding a ship side plank on i dout it you will find its a metal rod with around head and a washer on the other side with the other side bent over a wooden plug covers the head of the rods ,wooden boats use long bolts to day worked in a shipyard where wooden boats were bulit never heard of awooden nails but in jokes because wooden planks take ahell of strain to bend especialy 8" and a wooben pin to hold them in
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thanks for the info guys.
definatly going to be a challenege, but having scaled trennails would add to the realisticness of the ship in my oppinion. i think i'll give it a go on the sark first though.
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willie wrote:trenail a wooden dowel holding a ship side plank on i dout it you will find its a metal rod with around head and a washer on the other side with the other side bent over a wooden plug covers the head of the rods ,wooden boats use long bolts to day worked in a shipyard where wooden boats were bulit never heard of awooden nails but in jokes because wooden planks take ahell of strain to bend especialy 8" and a wooben pin to hold them in A treenail, also known as a trenail or trunnel, is a wood peg or dowel used to fasten pieces of wood together, especially in timber frame construction and wooden shipbuilding. It is an ancient technology. Covered bridges in the U.S. often use treenails as fasteners. Many such bridges are still in use. Locust is a favorite wood when making trunnels in shipbuilding due to its strength and rot resistance. A method of making such a fastener was to cut a parallel peg of a softer wood, and then expand its outer end with a wedge of much harder wood driven into it. Ancient shipbuilding used treenails to bind the boat together. They had the advantage of not giving rise to "nail-sickness" which is a term for decay accelerated and concentrated around metal fasteners. Increased water content also causes wood to expand, so that treenails gripped the planks tighter as they absorbed water willz attached the following image(s):
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Try this extract from a book on Google Books for more info. http://books.google.co.u...g%20trenail&f=false
(Hope the link works !)
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secretreeve if you go to index,lookup karls tips and tricks Iexplain how it is done. Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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