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planking for the first time or second..ISSUE 32 DISCUSSION!! Options
Zeptrader
#1 Posted : 28 August 2010 08:29:40

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I'm no expert here and would recomemd following the official instruction...BUT

If your new here or even not this is a little reminder of an article written some time ago on Model Ship World web site.

SIMPLE HULL PLANKING TECHNIQUES FOR BEGINNERS

http://modelshipworld.com/phpBB2/hptintro.php

Introduction
1. Keels
2. Bearding Line
3. Rabbet Line
4. Bulkheads
5. Filler Blocks; Bow
6. Filler Blocks; Stern
7. Fairing the Hull
8. Temporary Planking Battens
9. Garboard Plank
10. Garboard Plank; Stern
11. Garboard Plank; Bow
12. Bow Planking
13. Stern Planking
14. Correction Plank
15. General Planking
16. Cutting and Fitting Stealers
17. Rules for Planking
18. General Plank Tapering
19. Bevelling
20. Fitting Gun-Port Frames (prior to planking)
21. Second Planking
22. Spiling Operation
23. Sanding the Hull

I've read through it again last night and have come to the conclusion it has the best advice regarding preparation and planking, spend a few hours reading this and one thing will jump out...take your time.

I'll let you read and make your own mind up but a couple of lines say a lot.

At this stage I might point out that we are probably going to double plank the hull as per most kits directions. However it is the intention to show you the correct way to plank a hull as if it was a single planked hull. The reasoning behind this is that if the initial 1st planking is done correctly then the 2nd planking will virtually fall into place without any real problems. If the 1st planking is wrong then the 2nd planking must be carried out from the start of this planking project to get it right. So it stands to reason if the 1st planking is right then the 2nd will usually be a breeze.


Check it out, you know you wanna
Boaz
#2 Posted : 28 August 2010 18:07:54

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Thats great Colin. What an eye opener.
Thanks agasin for the info.
I recon by the last issue you should be called to the House of Lords mate BigGrin

Bob
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#3 Posted : 04 November 2010 22:59:26

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Just thought I'd give this original topic a boot to the top as we are starting the lower hull planking in the next issue, also worth reading is Tomick's excellent pre-planking talk..:)

A MUST READ!!!!

Also do follow the link above for any newcomer and spend a few hours just reading. This time spent understanding what is involved is not to be over estimated, care, patience and keeping a cool head, no point in jumping in and ruining your hard work now, Nelson would not be happy.


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#4 Posted : 05 November 2010 12:30:05

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The lower planking info is also contained within issue 32 along with photos etc...

With the planking above the waterline in place, its time to plank the lower hull, which involves much tighter curves, but before you start, let’s look at the basic principles....

So far, you have been laying planks more or less parallel, even around the curve of the bows. Any slight gaps were easily adjusted by tapering the planks a little and chamfering their edges.
On the lower hull, the frames of the bows and stern form complex curves that can’t be covered with parallel planking. Instead, each plank has to be shaped to fit its neighbours. This is not difficult, so long as you take your time to fit each individual plank.

Basic concepts

Most importantly, your planking pattern will not be exactly the same as the one in
the steps or my diary build. This is because numerous small differences will make each model unique.
Do not try to replicate the planking in the photos, but use the techniques shown in the magazine to fit your planks to your own model.
Remember to plank evenly, on both sides of the model, (planking one side of a hull may cause it to twist from the force of the planks).

The bow and stern planks are bent in a tight radius, so choose planks with a straight grain, as they are less likely to splinter or crack. Use less-perfect planks in the middle of the hull, where the bend is minimal.
If you chose a natural wood finish, you may want to stain the lower hull. Ensure
you remove all excess glue from the planks, as generally glue does not take stain well.

Bending planks

Planks bend best in one plane, although it’s possible to give them a slight twist. Bend the planks to match the hull frames as closely as possible, but resist any temptation to force the planks to bend sideways. Gaps are a natural part of the process of planking the model, and should be dealt with by tapering the planks and fitting ‘droppers’ and ‘stealers’. Above all, do not use pins to force planks into place – this will result in strained glue joints that are liable to break easily.


Tapering planks

Take your time to taper each plank so that it fits neatly against the plank above it, and so that it lays flat on all the frames. One of the most common mistakes made
is not tapering planks enough. This can lead to ‘clinkering’, where the lower edge sticks out and does not sit against the frame. Only taper the top edge of the plank.
Leave the bottom edge straight as this will make it easier to fit the adjacent plank. Where possible, you can get a more accurate fit if you taper a plank before you cut it to the exact length. Do not reduce a plank to less than half its width, this leads to pointed ends that are hard to fix securely and look unrealistic.


Joints between planks

Stagger the plank joints so that adjacent planks do not start on the same frame. It is recommended to stagger the joints between frames 18, 17 and 16 at the bow, and 25, 24 and 23 at the stern (repeating these joint positions on each three layers).
Don’t forget to chamfer the sides of each plank so that you don’t get gaps between
them due to the curve of the hull. Remember to apply glue to the edges of each plank as well as the frames and to remove any excess glue as you go, to prevent it from marring the finish later on.

Dropper planks

The curves of Victory’s bow and stern mean that the ends of the planks naturally want to overlap, unless they taper to a point, which is not authentic. To overcome this, use ‘dropper planks’. This is where two planks are tapered as far as possible but stop short of the bow or stern, with a single filler piece (the dropper plank) continuing from this point, this is explained in detail on pages 12-13 of issue 32.


Stealers

The shape of the lower half of the stern means that planks will naturally want to
spread, leaving gaps. A stealer is a piece of plank specially shaped to fill these gaps, the magazine will explain how to fit a stealer when you come to planking the stern.


Trotsky
#5 Posted : 05 November 2010 15:17:54

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Thank You Colin & Mr T...very helpfull
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Thanks for info. It's good read.

Tom
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#7 Posted : 05 November 2010 19:53:00

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I will be following the instructions and tommick, I havnt quite finished the top planking yet and apart from a few little niggles i think i have done a pretty good job, however the bottom planking looks a lot more difficult and to be quite frank, I am sh...ing a brick as i dont want to ruin a great ship. I bought the HMAV Bounty as a "learner" and got as far as the planking and stopped as the instructions are a bit bland about planking to say the least, so i decided to shelve it until i have learned a bit more from the excellent instructions provided with the Victory and the help from the more experienced builders on this forum with which i could not have done without, so thanks for all you guys who have helped.
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I am getting nervous now Crying I might stick my ship in a bucket of plaster and do a waterline version if it all goes wrong LOL LOL LOL Mellow
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#9 Posted : 06 November 2010 00:11:37

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Just to show a few images from the planking tutorial over at MSW (which you should read..THIS WEEKEND!)

First to cover the heading that Tomick has added here...

Bending Planks, we have covered this already, either by the plank bender, soaking in hot water for 20mins or so, heat bending.


Tapering Planks, again we have used this on the upper hull, but remmeber not to reduce the plank to less than half its width (5mm width of plank)


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Joints or staggering planks, again covered already if you have started the upper hull.

Dropper Planks, see the images below



Stealers, see image below.


You probably would need to dry fit these planks first by holding them with some bulldog clips and cut before final gluing.



Dont forget to read the whole document here.

http://modelshipworld.com/phpBB2/hptintro.php
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#10 Posted : 06 November 2010 13:40:08

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Hi, Here is a drop plank on my HMS Surprise build. And then a tapered plank.

Chris..



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#11 Posted : 06 November 2010 14:16:01

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I must say, I really find pictures like this inspiring. I just hope I am up to it.

Thanks.

John
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Thank you Zeptrader, Tomick and Magpie.
I've followed your link Zeptrader to the 'Simple Hull Planking For beginners' and I'm going to spend a few days reading that now in between working on the fairing of the hull. Thanks Tomick for your input on the planking techniques which is underpinning what I am reading now. And Mapie, thanks for your photos, which really give a good visual explanation of what is about to happen.
When I started this project, I hadn't got a clue what was involved in building a model such as this - the TV advert made it look so easy - and with each new issue came more challenges and new skills to learn, and all you experienced modellers on the forum made it seem less daunting, although without a doubt, planking the hull will be the biggest challenge of the build so far.
Thanks guys
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