Welcome Guest Search | Active Topics | Log In | Register

Amazon to test delivery drones in the UK Options
Tomick
#1 Posted : 26 July 2016 13:28:33

Rank: Pro

Groups:

Joined: 24/08/2009
Posts: 48,827
Points: -13,348
Britain may receive packages flown by UAV before the USA..
http://www.dailymail.co....ery-drones-Britain.html

What's the bet that air rifle sales will be on the up and lawyers already rubbing hands for reams of invasion of privacy cases..

stevegbr
#2 Posted : 26 July 2016 13:49:45

Rank: Pro

Groups:

Joined: 24/08/2009
Posts: 48,827
Points: -13,348
i do think this is a stupid idea, as you say people will take a pop at them, and what if something goes wrong with them, we could be talking thousands of them in our skies.
Nemesis
#3 Posted : 26 July 2016 16:53:25

Rank: Super-Elite

Publisher Medal: Featured Build of the MonthActive Service Medal: 500 post active service MedalPurple Medal: Super active service medal for 1000 postsTurquoise Medal: Turquoise Medal for model making know-how contributionOutstanding Build: An award for an outstanding buildBuild-Diary Medal: Build-Diary Medal of HonourRed Medal: Red Medal
Groups: Registered

Joined: 16/01/2013
Posts: 3,884
Points: 11,653
Location: Stevenage
Yep I agree with Tomick, prime target for air rifles, stolen packages, damaged cars when they get bought down. Don't think they have thought this through properly!
Spal
#4 Posted : 26 July 2016 17:14:57

Rank: Super-Elite

Publisher Medal: Featured Build of the MonthActive Service Medal: 500 post active service MedalPurple Medal: Super active service medal for 1000 postsBuild-Diary Medal: Build-Diary Medal of HonourRed Medal: Red Medal
Groups: Registered

Joined: 19/06/2013
Posts: 4,588
Points: 13,553
Location: West Yorkshire
I don't think this will take off if you excuse the pun.

Al
darbyvet
#5 Posted : 26 July 2016 18:04:24

Rank: Super-Elite
Publisher Medal: Featured Build of the MonthActive Service Medal: 500 post active service MedalPurple Medal: Super active service medal for 1000 postsBuild-Diary Medal: Build-Diary Medal of HonourRed Medal: Red Medal
Groups: Registered

Joined: 17/12/2013
Posts: 3,982
Points: 11,974
Location: NY, USA
Tomick wrote:
Britain may receive packages flown by UAV before the USA..
http://www.dailymail.co....ery-drones-Britain.html

What's the bet that air rifle sales will be on the up and lawyers already rubbing hands for reams of invasion of privacy cases..




i dont think it will happen in USA anytime soon.Far too many ambulance chasing laywers to cash in on injuries

Carl

arpurchase
#6 Posted : 26 July 2016 19:20:49

Rank: Super-Elite

Publisher Medal: Featured Build of the MonthActive Service Medal: 500 post active service MedalPurple Medal: Super active service medal for 1000 postsTurquoise Medal: Turquoise Medal for model making know-how contributionOutstanding Build: An award for an outstanding buildBuild-Diary Medal: Build-Diary Medal of HonourRed Medal: Red Medal
Groups: Registered

Joined: 27/09/2011
Posts: 15,196
Points: 45,687
Location: Dudley
Just wait for the first one to have a battery or engine failure and it drops on someones head the lawyers will have kittens of joy.

Apparently they will be restricted to lanes at 300ft height and about 100 feet wide a sort of drone highway for delivery's.

No need for airguns security people already have a drone catcher that takes over the signal and lands it at your feet, so all they need to do is hack the site to cherry pick all the expensive items on the way to customer.

Another thing said today was that its a foolproof unhackable system that just wont go wrong and as we all know nothing is unhackable so its already looking like the Hindenberg.

To be able to get a delivery you will need to buy a 'Landing Mat' from them and it must be placed outside so the drone can deliver the item, another advert to the thieves that something expensive may be due for delivery.
Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .

davetwin
#7 Posted : 26 July 2016 20:08:53

Rank: Super-Elite
Publisher Medal: Featured Build of the MonthActive Service Medal: 500 post active service MedalPurple Medal: Super active service medal for 1000 postsOutstanding Build: An award for an outstanding buildBuild-Diary Medal: Build-Diary Medal of HonourRed Medal: Red Medal
Groups: Registered

Joined: 27/01/2014
Posts: 5,060
Points: 14,980
I think this is a disaster waiting to happen.

When someone says something is unhackable that's just an open challenge to all would be hackers
Tomick
#8 Posted : 26 July 2016 20:20:24

Rank: Pro

Groups:

Joined: 24/08/2009
Posts: 48,827
Points: -13,348
Won't even need to hack. A well placed rugby ball will do the trick lol
kenjara
#9 Posted : 26 July 2016 20:36:48

Rank: Vice-Master
Active Service Medal: 500 post active service MedalBuild-Diary Medal: Build-Diary Medal of HonourRed Medal: Red Medal
Groups: Registered

Joined: 05/04/2013
Posts: 540
Points: 1,630
Location: England
It could potentially be unhackable or at least much more difficult to hack if the instructions are loaded onto the system before it launches. As long as its not capable of receiving in flight instructions and does not monitor for communication it should in theory be safe from hacking.

That of course would limit its functionality quite spectacularly though.
Finished 3D Printer, RB7, Hummer, Skyrider drone & Combat tank collection

http://www.model-space.com/gb/
michu
#10 Posted : 28 July 2016 13:32:14

Rank: Vice-Master

Publisher Medal: Featured Build of the MonthActive Service Medal: 500 post active service MedalTurquoise Medal: Turquoise Medal for model making know-how contributionBuild-Diary Medal: Build-Diary Medal of HonourRed Medal: Red Medal
Groups: Registered

Joined: 07/01/2015
Posts: 856
Points: 2,479
Location: Sevenoaks, UK
Well, I love the idea and I think it will take off; if not now then definitely within 10-15 years.
Unhackable - yeah, that's definitely possible. It's just enough if all of the communication goes over a channel secured with asymmetric cryptography, where the key pair is generated individually per flight. Any tampering would require physical access to the drone.
The issues to solve are quite different: range and maximum load, not the safety. Automated systems will be safer than controlled by an user, and we have plenty of these flying already. Lawyers waiting for an accident to happen? I think it's a bit over exaggerated. If done correctly there will be less accidents than there are caused by delivery vans.
Any images I post on my personal builds are free to be used and shared under Creative Commons Attribution license, which means you can do what you want with them, on the condition you mention I'm the author.

Happy building :-)

http://www.model-space.com/gb/
Tomick
#11 Posted : 28 July 2016 14:36:06

Rank: Pro

Groups:

Joined: 24/08/2009
Posts: 48,827
Points: -13,348
The high risk of litigation is the exact reason why Amazon are holding back in the USA.

Not only that, it won't just be Amazon will it, before you know it the sky will be full of them, also it's not delivery to your door simply because the CCA will never allow it.

I can see it working well in rural situations, but not elsewhere for much the same reason why the cone seller is unlikely to be given any leeway by the CAA.
michu
#12 Posted : 28 July 2016 15:58:10

Rank: Vice-Master

Publisher Medal: Featured Build of the MonthActive Service Medal: 500 post active service MedalTurquoise Medal: Turquoise Medal for model making know-how contributionBuild-Diary Medal: Build-Diary Medal of HonourRed Medal: Red Medal
Groups: Registered

Joined: 07/01/2015
Posts: 856
Points: 2,479
Location: Sevenoaks, UK
And that's fine, especially since the deliveries to rural locations make the highest cost for the couriers and drive the cost of services in cities up. It will start there, allow the technology to mature and prove its safety, which will be a gateway to further development of such services. We are living in the future, there's no stopping that.
Any images I post on my personal builds are free to be used and shared under Creative Commons Attribution license, which means you can do what you want with them, on the condition you mention I'm the author.

Happy building :-)

http://www.model-space.com/gb/
Tomick
#13 Posted : 28 July 2016 16:52:43

Rank: Pro

Groups:

Joined: 24/08/2009
Posts: 48,827
Points: -13,348
But the CAA can stop anything they don't like the idea of lol
darbyvet
#14 Posted : 28 July 2016 17:43:02

Rank: Super-Elite
Publisher Medal: Featured Build of the MonthActive Service Medal: 500 post active service MedalPurple Medal: Super active service medal for 1000 postsBuild-Diary Medal: Build-Diary Medal of HonourRed Medal: Red Medal
Groups: Registered

Joined: 17/12/2013
Posts: 3,982
Points: 11,974
Location: NY, USA
Tomick wrote:
The high risk of litigation is the exact reason why Amazon are holding back in the USA.

Not only that, it won't just be Amazon will it, before you know it the sky will be full of them, also it's not delivery to your door simply because the CCA will never allow it.

I can see it working well in rural situations, but not elsewhere for much the same reason why the cone seller is unlikely to be given any leeway by the CAA.



I think the distances they would need to travel in USA in rural areas would be a problem not to mention the irresistable opportunity for someone with a gun to take a shot at what would be a pretty easy target to hit.And how much could they really carry? Plus it would be incredibly inefficient to deliver one package at a time to a rural area.

I could see in an urban area dropping packages within a few miles of a warehouse, but in my area the nearest big city is 45 miles away.

Carl

Martyn Ingram
#15 Posted : 28 July 2016 17:58:05

Rank: Super-Elite

Publisher Medal: Featured Build of the MonthActive Service Medal: 500 post active service MedalPurple Medal: Super active service medal for 1000 postsTurquoise Medal: Turquoise Medal for model making know-how contributionOutstanding Build: An award for an outstanding buildBuild-Diary Medal: Build-Diary Medal of HonourRed Medal: Red Medal
Groups: Registered

Joined: 17/02/2013
Posts: 3,262
Points: 9,862
Location: Kent
Time to dust off the 12 bore lol . I would just like to know with all the helicopters and military aircraft flying around here at low level how are they going to police it ?

Rgd Martyn
Building ?
Completed. Soliei Royal . Sovereign of the Seas . Virginia . Scotland . San Felipe . Corel vasa , Santisima Trinadad X section , Vasa
Next Build ?
When sailors have good wine, They think themselves in heaven for the time. John Baltharpe
Tomick
#16 Posted : 02 August 2016 09:59:17

Rank: Pro

Groups:

Joined: 24/08/2009
Posts: 48,827
Points: -13,348
birdaj2
#17 Posted : 02 August 2016 10:19:47

Rank: Super-Elite

Publisher Medal: Featured Build of the MonthActive Service Medal: 500 post active service MedalPurple Medal: Super active service medal for 1000 postsTurquoise Medal: Turquoise Medal for model making know-how contributionBuild-Diary Medal: Build-Diary Medal of HonourRed Medal: Red Medal
Groups: Registered

Joined: 31/05/2010
Posts: 5,679
Points: 17,011
Location: Wiltshire
I still find it hard to see how this could be cost effective (what do i know). Had a delivery the weekend and the van was crammed full of parcels so just on the speed aspect i cannot see how a drone or several drones would be more efficient than using a van.

Not sure if it was on here but i seem to recall reading that the customer would have to put a "landing pad" in a suitable place because the gps brings the thing to an area but cannot pin point an exact house address.

Early days i guess and you have to start these projects off at some point but just imagine how confused the thing will get if there is no one in to accept the package.
Happy Modelling

BUILDING: Hachette Spitfire Mk 1A, Constructo Mayflower
SUBSCRIPTION COMPLETE (Awaiting building): USS Constitution, Sovereign of the Seas, 1:200 Bismarck (Hachette)
COMPLETED: Porsche 911, E-Type Jaguar, Lam Countach
RobT
#18 Posted : 05 August 2016 14:53:35

Rank: Pro
Build-Diary Medal: Build-Diary Medal of Honour
Groups: Registered

Joined: 30/08/2012
Posts: 336
Points: 857
Location: London
If you need a landing pad, they will probably incorporate the hire of one in the Prime subscription. It's obviously prime members who have the most deliveries, so it maybe more economical to use drones than endless free next day deliveries.

I can only see them carrying items up to a certain value though due to security risks. A bit like only being able to use contactless cards up to £30. Will be mainly used for books, computer games and DVD's, that sort of thing.
birdaj2
#19 Posted : 06 August 2016 23:36:23

Rank: Super-Elite

Publisher Medal: Featured Build of the MonthActive Service Medal: 500 post active service MedalPurple Medal: Super active service medal for 1000 postsTurquoise Medal: Turquoise Medal for model making know-how contributionBuild-Diary Medal: Build-Diary Medal of HonourRed Medal: Red Medal
Groups: Registered

Joined: 31/05/2010
Posts: 5,679
Points: 17,011
Location: Wiltshire
It still looks strange to me.

Just been looking at the clarkson video on this link it all looks most odd.

http://www.telegraph.co....ck-to-the-future-world/

Happy Modelling

BUILDING: Hachette Spitfire Mk 1A, Constructo Mayflower
SUBSCRIPTION COMPLETE (Awaiting building): USS Constitution, Sovereign of the Seas, 1:200 Bismarck (Hachette)
COMPLETED: Porsche 911, E-Type Jaguar, Lam Countach
Users browsing this topic
Guest
Forum Jump  
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Powered by YAF | YAF © 2003-2009, Yet Another Forum.NET
This page was generated in 0.296 seconds.
DeAgostini