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came u guys tell me if this is ok please
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I think you may need more on that last frame, the planks have to bend around it, if you dont fair it enough it will make a sharp bend.
And looking further back you need quite a lot more on the other frames.
Try and lay a plank across the frames to check, do a search here for 'fairing the Hull'
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Hi comtechy!  Just to add to colins advice it is hard to see at that angle but make sure that the transom is flush with the false keel, the bottoms of parts 34 are almost removed completely when it is flush to the keel and should be flush all the way up the transom. When you start to scratch the keel between the transom you have it right, you need to shape the ribs more as well. If your uncertain post some picture and we will help you, it is important to get the fairing right.
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have to agree with both colin and darron.needs to be flat up against the false keel, but looking tidy and neat build,well done. Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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Hi everybody,
What's the reason for attaching those two parts 34 in the first place if they have to be sanded away to nothing when fairing the hull? Sorry, that's something that has been on my mind for a while now.
Happy building
Daffy09
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You'll notice that the keel stern post slopes at an angle, the tops of the 34 frame halves sliglty protrude the stern post at the top, whilst at the bottom of the 34 frame halves they sit quite proud hence why they're sanded flush with the stern post, the idea is that by adding the frame 34 halves they pack out the angle of the stern post as it slopes downward.
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Hi there daffy09, I am sure that it helps to give that extra bulk in forming the shape od the stern below the transom, and that when it comes to planking, there will not be too much of a sharp curve for the planks...I believe that I have got this right and explained this correctly. perhaps our fellow shipmates will explain it more clearly than I??? Hope you are enjoying your build mate... Current Builds: Deagostini HMS Victory: Deagostini HMS Sovereign of the seas. Completed Builds: Del Prado: HMAS Bounty: Hachette: RMS Titanic: Del Prado: Cutty Sark...
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Hi Jonny
Yes I'm enloying the build immensely. I'm getting great satisfaction from seeing the hull gradually transforming into something with quite beautiful lines although, as I mentioned in a previous thread, my planking is nothing near as smooth as the pictures I've seen on the forum of other builds, this being due to a large extent of me not checking the planks for irregularities before attaching them to the hull. so there'll be more than a little sanding for me to do at the appropriate stage.
I'm quite dis-appointed that DeAg went with the same type of wood for the lower hull, so I've decided to buy some walnut strips from Cormwall models but they're out of stock at the moment. I'm sure that the final effect will be better than trying to stain the basswood. I've already messed up my launch by trying to stain it so I didn't want to make the same mistake on the main build.
Thanks for asking and happy building
daffy 09
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daffy09 wrote:Hi Jonny
Yes I'm enloying the build immensely. I'm getting great satisfaction from seeing the hull gradually transforming into something with quite beautiful lines although, as I mentioned in a previous thread, my planking is nothing near as smooth as the pictures I've seen on the forum of other builds, this being due to a large extent of me not checking the planks for irregularities before attaching them to the hull. so there'll be more than a little sanding for me to do at the appropriate stage.
I'm quite dis-appointed that DeAg went with the same type of wood for the lower hull, so I've decided to buy some walnut strips from Cormwall models but they're out of stock at the moment. I'm sure that the final effect will be better than trying to stain the basswood. I've already messed up my launch by trying to stain it so I didn't want to make the same mistake on the main build.
Thanks for asking and happy building
daffy 09 hi daffy are you second planking the whole hull or trying to buy 5x2mm walnut strips for the bottom hull only and not applying the 5x2mm basswood strips..paul cheers benny
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Hi Benny,
What I am planning to do is to is not to use the supplied basswood strips for the lower hull. So this substitution of materials is not a 'double-planking' job, which being a newbie, would have no idea about going about without the type of instructions being provided in the magazine. Instead, I shall be purchasing some walnut strips 2 x 5mm from Cornwall models, and using these to replace the strips provided by DeAg.
I had previously asked about how to work out the required number of strips and Tomick kindly did the sums for me, giving an estimated 140 strips of 2 x 5mm @ 500mm. But as Cornwall supply their strip in 1000mm lengths, this number can be roughly halved.
Happy building
Daffy09
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Hi Daffy09
If I may add my two cents worth. I would seriously consider not changing the wood supplied to walnut unless you have experience with walnut. I had to use 2 x 6 walnut on a Constructo Victory, it is seriously hard to bend.
Double planking is very easy to do. What you do is single plank the hull and then repair anything you are not happy with, ie fill hollows and gaps etc sand until you are happy and then plank over the top with 0.5 thick veneer, walnut where you need it dark, a white veneer where you need it light. The double planking basically follows the same lines as the first planking with the added bonus of being very easy to bend, twist.
Another option would be to stain the wood supplied before you fix it to the hull ensuring you are happy with the shade before you fix. Some people have questioned if the glue would be as strong over stain. Obviously you would not stain the edges.
My advice, for what it's worth, use the wood supplied and if not happy double plank with veneer.
Regards
Ray
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Thanks for that info Ray,
Point taken on the walnut, and double planking does sound easy, but wouldn't that mean that I'd have to double plank the entire hull? Also, if the double planking wasn't an option for me after some consideration, do you have any suggestions about other wood colours to use which are easier to work. (Staining is definitely out after my botched attempt on the launch). Thanks again and happy building
Daffy09
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hi daffy...you could 1st plank with the provided planks and get it how you want it with filler,and when the whales arrive, fix them and walnut venneer the bottom hull starting at the underside of the first whale,so you wont need to veneer the whole hull because there will be a break point between the top and bottom of the hull...paul cheers benny
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That's a great idea Benny,
I didn't think about the whales, they will stand proud of the hull anyway, so a thin veneer on the lower hull wouldn't notice. Thanks to you and Ray, I now have more options to consider and my first thoughts are that veneer is the easiest answer for me.
Thanks and happy building
Daffy09
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hi daffy..i am second planking the whole hull with 0.5x5mm walnut veneer which i believe is right..glad to be of help.. paul cheers benny
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Hi Daffy09
I completely agree with Benny 2nd planking below the whales is a good option. As for other dark woods that are easier to work with I don't know. My experience is with woods that that come in kits
I seem to recall a topic on the Model Ship World forum that details all the various types and pros and cons. I will have a look around to see if I can find it.
Regards
Ray
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Hi Daffy09 Try this link for MSW then go to forum in the navigator (top left) then go to the wood discussion forum. Have a good look round the site while you are there. http://modelshipworld.com/phpBB2/portal.php
Ray
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Thanks Ray,
will do.
Thanks for your advice, and I'll probably go for the walnut veneer now after seeing that walnut is not the easiest wood to manipulate to the shapes we want.
Happy building
Daffy09
Sorry didn't get back earlier, only just had my internet connection restored after being off all morning.
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