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Good evening shipmates, thank you for suggestions on how to build a jig, never thought of using one before as I have built a few models, Bounty, Titanic and Cutty Sark. HMS Victory being a larger build, it will definitely need support, its just that I never gave it a thought until I saw your postings on the matter. When I go to pick up the paint for the upcoming construction I will pop into my local hardware store and pick up the necessary parts. By the way, for the first time builders amongst us, if you have a decent hardware store nearby, try picking his or her brains, you will be surprised at how to lay your hands on some really cut priced modelling tools? i.e the modelling vice shown on page 12 of issue 2 for example, I was told by two stockists that it would cost me around £30 give or take a few pence, my hardware shop got me an identical vice for just £15. He could also get other modelling tools at a lower price, something to do with knowing the right reps he tells me? Anyway, it is worth checking out such places especially if your nearest modelling shop is a number of miles from where you live. Well, that's enough of my ranting on here shipmates, happy building, and keep those tips coming, very interesting ideas in deed, thanks again. John W  Current Builds: Deagostini HMS Victory: Deagostini HMS Sovereign of the seas. Completed Builds: Del Prado: HMAS Bounty: Hachette: RMS Titanic: Del Prado: Cutty Sark...
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Thanks for the tip on the vice Jonny7england i will look into it . cos i think u do need one to hold the small bits of wood as u glue them etc
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Hi shipmates, just want to ask a question about the jigs shown here with the metal angle brackets, what is the distance between each bracket as I want to build a jig while waiting on issues 3&4 when I start construction. Much obliged Current Builds: Deagostini HMS Victory: Deagostini HMS Sovereign of the seas. Completed Builds: Del Prado: HMAS Bounty: Hachette: RMS Titanic: Del Prado: Cutty Sark...
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jonny7england wrote:Hi shipmates, just want to ask a question about the jigs shown here with the metal angle brackets, what is the distance between each bracket as I want to build a jig while waiting on issues 3&4 when I start construction. Much obliged I think the distance varies in places due to the position of the rib parts. You may be best to wait till you get the parts that make up the keel before you build the JIG so that you don't interfere with the ribs. Regards,
David
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Much obliged for the info on the brackets, looks like it is going to be a long waiting game all round  Oh well, thanks all the same. Current Builds: Deagostini HMS Victory: Deagostini HMS Sovereign of the seas. Completed Builds: Del Prado: HMAS Bounty: Hachette: RMS Titanic: Del Prado: Cutty Sark...
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Would it be possible to measure the distance between the ribs in the section we got in issue 1,and work out where to put the metal brackets in our jig. Just a thought.
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u could do i think there are the same wide all way along i think
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Have a look through my posts I posted one way back in march which use just a piece of wood and 2in angle brackets (about £1 for 10 @ Wilco) with pictues, subject is Building a Jig as well!!  RussG attached the following image(s): Happy Building, Russ On the workbench: My Victory Build Diary - Victory Cross Section Build Diary - Black Pearl Build DiaryUnder the Bench: Millenium Falcon, Black Pearl x 2, Coral Victory Cross Section, De Lorean
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Thats brill RussG,many thanks
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Hello earthlings!
One question - is the jig really that necessary? What would be the main problems of assembling the model without it? From the pictures i've seen it looks that it helps a bit in the beginning of the whole process.
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yes you really need to make sure the hull is dead straight and true or you could end up with problems later on in the build
Allan
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The keel must be straight, so I shall assemble mine flat on a verified flat surface. The jig can be used, and is by many, but I have had many model aircraft that flew true and testify to the flat surface method. Nobody wants a deformed Victory that resembles a fish with TB that will be impossible to cure later.  Next the frames must be square to the keel in both planes. The only way to do this is to hold the keel vertical to a surface like a jig, so that the frames may be verified square to the keel and the surface when positioning for gluing. One out of square frame will result in 2 depressions in the planking, larboard and starboard, and 1 on the modeller. Only 2 can be filled. The modeller cannot as, he or she will always know it is there, so cannot be repaired with a cover-up.  And finally, it will be useful to have a means to hold the model while it is worked on. I hereby rest the case and justification for the jig. When the planking is complete a cradle will be needed. I like polystyrene (from discarded packing) for this as it is easily shaped, with a serrated knife, (if messy) to hold the hull firmly in any position, and will not damage those lovingly prepared surfaces. 
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Morning ship mates Still waiting for parts 2+3 I went to wilkos yesterday for the 2inch brackets and they are 52p for 2  Does anyone know where I can get some cheaper please Just been to France for a week and had to drink quite a bit of wine just to collect corks to put my figures on. have a great time Keep smiling Pam 
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jonny7england
my vice cost me £5 from b&q last year its a tabletop mounted 1 ive never had any trouble with it and i use it all the time
Alan
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HI CAN ANYONE HELP I LIKED THE LOOK OF THE AMATI KEEL CLAMP FROM CORNWALL MODEL SHOP ITS ONLY 40" LENGTH I JUST THOURGHT IT WOULD BE EASY FOR ME TO GET THIS, THE QUESTION IS WILL IT BE TOO SHORT FOR THE VICTORY BUILD OR WILL IT BE OK TO USE BECAUSE THE OTHER HOMEMADE JIGS I CAN SEE ME NOT GETTING THEM STRAIGHT DOES ANYONE KNOW IF IT WOULD BE STURDY ENOUGH TO HOLD THE SHIP TOO THANKS GUYS
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Be carefull when buying the brackets from Wilkos . I just bought six packs (2 in a pack)this giving me twelve in all , 6 for each side . When I checked for squareness, only six were any good. the other six were out by 2mm. So if I used these,I would be along way out at the top of the keel. That why thay are cheap. John.
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I just bought 20 brackets from B&Q. They will all need persuading to a right angle. I recon a judicious clout with a persuader (hammer) will do it. Thanks for the warning but not the timing. By the way I also got a meter of 2x15 mm ali. as a straight edge for aligning the brackets. When cut in half it will be my clamp for tapering the planks.
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I just picked up 24 brackets and (what I hope is) a decent piece of pine to use as my keel clamp, along with another machinists square to make sure they are all in good shape...
Now if only I had a keel! ;D
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monkey30 wrote:HI CAN ANYONE HELP I LIKED THE LOOK OF THE AMATI KEEL CLAMP FROM CORNWALL MODEL SHOP ITS ONLY 40" LENGTH I JUST THOURGHT IT WOULD BE EASY FOR ME TO GET THIS, THE QUESTION IS WILL IT BE TOO SHORT FOR THE VICTORY BUILD OR WILL IT BE OK TO USE BECAUSE THE OTHER HOMEMADE JIGS I CAN SEE ME NOT GETTING THEM STRAIGHT DOES ANYONE KNOW IF IT WOULD BE STURDY ENOUGH TO HOLD THE SHIP TOO THANKS GUYS It wont be any use, it does not allow the Keel of this model to sit into it, the frames are level with the bottom of the keel, so there is nothing to clamp to, the L bracket method noted in this topic is simple route.
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I know what you mean Alex, but we must not rush these things or we would not have the time to get on here. I think I may forget about the real thing and just discuss it in cyberspace.  Only joking, you can't beat hands on!!!
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