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Double Planking Keel Dilemma Options
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#1 Posted : 22 December 2010 19:34:52

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Hi Shipmates! Cool

Well today I got issue 38 and it shows the real keel parts, the curved stem & stern post looks like ply as for the bottom of the keel this looks like lime wood strips. I was thinking about getting walnut strips for the lower hull and maple strips for the upper hull in the New Year to double plank the hull, but with this keel I think not!. There is two options here for the person doing the ship in natural wood finish.

1:- Stay single planked and stain the lower hull and keel .
2:- Go down the double planking road and replace the keel with walnut sheet using the parts in issue 39 as a template.

What to do? Confused

I’ve even been thinking of using this build as a dry run as this is the first period ship I’ve made, before getting Caldercraft HMS Victory later in 2011. Up to now I’ve made only modern ships and boats.

I’m not saying we should have had better wood used in the kit, as this kit was never meant to be double planked or use walnut for the lower hull, just that what will I do now! stay single or double plank. I have the skill and tools to remake the sections needed, but others don’t and some will have bought the planks already to double plank in walnut. A ply & lime wood keel will spoil the look.

AGAIN I’m not saying we should have had better wood used in the kit.

This post has been setup to help find a solution to this dilemma for people doing double planking.

SO DON’T START KICKING OFF! PLEASE!
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#2 Posted : 22 December 2010 21:52:53

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interesting observations,I'm rather shocked to hear that the keel is lime wood,this is yet another cost saving,sorry that's what it looks like to me,however,as I'm double planking with mahogany veneer,I shall cover that as well,at this point I would have NEVER taken on this project knowing the specifications it now has,and likely more to come.I feel ripped off,but I have spent too much on it,that I feel morally obliged to continue.worse still the wife would kill me if I threw the towel in now.I would like to make a comparison with de-ags cutty sark,that part build is something special and no expense spared in the wood or the fittings,so why ?????
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#3 Posted : 27 December 2010 13:51:08

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The use of lime wood for the keel is a good medium as we have already used it for the main hull and if you are going to stain the model you would want a uniformed look to it, so its only right it stays the same type of wood.
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#4 Posted : 27 December 2010 21:38:06

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I am just wondering why this model isn't double planked. 1 it looks so very much better, 2 it enables novice builders to cover their planking mistakes up (personal experience speaking here).

Maybe they are thinking most people will paint or copper plate the hull? I am still only on subscribed issue 8, so still have plenty of time to decide. At this point, I am wanting to go the painted route, as I have a natural finish Endeavour.

I may still double plank it irrespective...
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#5 Posted : 28 December 2010 01:23:09

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This is my first Wood build , I have managed to do a reasonable job of the planking , However I am still going to double plank, Simply because I want to have a Natural finish not paint. Top of the Hull will be Lime and bottom of hull Walnut. The Keel I intend to remake out of walnut. I agree with most that they should of supplied better materials . I have invested a great deal of time and extra funds into this build to make a model I hope I can be proud of .

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#6 Posted : 30 December 2010 21:40:07

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Is it wise to use a hardwood framing for the gun ports if one is
going to double plank the hull ie walnut or use the supplied strips
and stain after
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#7 Posted : 31 December 2010 01:14:10

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If you are going to double plankwould it be bent to open the gun ports by 2mm then use 2mm thick lime wood planking for the framing, this would give a better affect so that the second planking would cover the edges and slso the limewood would take a stain much easier.
hope this would help only whished i had thought of it before i started my planking, Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad
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#8 Posted : 31 December 2010 11:32:42

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Thanks Petpole for the advice will do exactly that

Ps is Cornwall models the best supplier of timber or is there
someone better
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Paul
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#9 Posted : 31 December 2010 11:58:33

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Hi Spity

CMB seem to have a good stock of timber strip (watch out for the additional timber postal charge)

I couldn't find wider pieces of timber on their site. I was looking for a 5mm sheet of walnut at the time. If I had waited until Christmas I would have had loads of scrap pieces of 5 mm walnut from my new Caldercraft kit as I remove the machined pieces!!

I solved my supply problem by going to Hobbies Site for a Walnut sheet. Good service, I had already used them when I bought my proxxon lathe.

Thay also do strip for planking, I'll leave it to you to compare prices, postage etc.

Hope that helps!

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#10 Posted : 31 December 2010 16:38:33

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Whoo the jokita Mike T, you really are going to be busy, are you still carrying on with this AL one?
Just one question Mike, and I mean this totally out of interest so I hope no one gets on to me about it, will you be ordering the Portsmouth conversion or sticking with the high forecastle bulwarks, and again purely out of interest.
I wish you and your family a very happy new year.

Regards Willz
Mike Turpin
#11 Posted : 31 December 2010 18:48:08

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Hi Willz

I have pm'd you to avoid potential stormy seas!

Mike T
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#12 Posted : 01 January 2011 12:01:00

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Thanks Mike T
One more thing though as i will be using stains and varnishes
i am able to get most colours but a bit worried about the Yellow Ochre
Firstly where can i get some from and is it good enough to give full
cover on Lime wood
Thanks again and a happy new year
Paul
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