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#41 Posted : 17 January 2017 14:38:37

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IT`s a very interesting build TonyCoolgreat so far BigGrin Phil
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#42 Posted : 17 January 2017 15:34:39

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Tomick wrote:
Looks a very interesting build and watching what is a pile of wood take shape into a famous loco, well done so far Cool


Tom

Many thanks. Quite enjoying this one myself at the moment i must admit.
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Looking good, offten been tempted by these occre kits. Nice start.
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#44 Posted : 17 January 2017 19:13:37

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Great start Tony, I am enjoying this.BigGrin
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Excellent work so far Tony, looking really good, well done. [tasty] Cool ThumpUp

I keep meaning to get myself a pair of those Xuron etch scissors, they look very good, how have you found them, useful or not? Cool


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Kev

Many thanks for the kind comments.

At first i held off buying xuron as they are slightly expensive but in the end other things i was using either packed up on me or were useless. I purchased a set if these and they perform really well. The blades get into some of the odd sngles you find on etch frets as well. The only thing to watch out for is that you cut were you need to cut because these things will slice through very easily.

Been so impressed with the range i added in the xuron side cutters great for plastic model kits, the needle nose pliers and a set that holds model ship pins.

Been a while collecting these as i have to save my pennies but will say they out perform many of the cheaper cutters so will pay for themselves in the long run.

I will try and remember to post some pictures in my next update.



Thanks for that Tony, I need to replace my old sprue cutters at some point this year so I'll definitely be getting a couple of Xuron tools when the time comes. Cool ThumpUp


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#46 Posted : 22 January 2017 17:12:00

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SUNDAY 22nd January 2017 – The Adler Locomotive Build

It’s difficult to believe that yet another week has passed into history. Feels like we are on fast forward to something but what that might be – who knows.

Been a bit of a slower week in terms of the build as I am into adding the etch elements at the moment and slow and careful are the watch words here because this stage will make or break the build.

PICTURE 1 & 2

I mentioned in the last post that we need to be very careful rubbing down the overhanging boiler planks because what we do not want to do is deform the boiler end plates because that will cause fit issues later on.
Picture 1 is as far as I have gone with the “heavy” file and from here it’s a change to a much less aggressive sand paper just to finish this area off. Not a quick task but a task best not rushed.

In order to complete the boiler planking we need to install the 2 axel supports so it’s best to paint these now rather than at a later stage.

PICTURE 3

While I have alclad metal effect paints that I had purchased for the original build I decided not to use these at this point. On the earlier version I started last year I did use the alclad Steel colour but as these axle supports are all but invisible on the finished build I decided to make things a little easier for myself.

To paint these, I used the Vallejo 70865 Oily Steel Colour to paint these parts. As you can see from this picture this paint is quite thick and not really designed to be used straight from the bottle without some thinning down.

PICTURE 4

Having painted and glued into place the axel supports we can now complete the lining out of the boiler. The remaining spaces will not take a full width plank so some fine adjustments with a file are needed to thin the wood strip down so that it fits into place.

PICTURE 5.

We now start to work with the brass etch and I must admit having looked at the build overall this is the one area that has given me the most worry and concern.

The etch is very “Hard” and not flat. If anyone is familiar with the film “The Longest Day” there is one part of the film were the American troops are issued with a “Clicker” and to be honest that is exactly what the etch is like. If you flex it, you get a nice click from it.

All is not lost but is does require some additional work because in its supplied form it will be next to impossible to shape and glue in position.

PICTURE 6

To soften the brass and take the “Spring” out of the metal it needs to be tempered and that means heating it until its Cherry Red and then rapidly cooling it in cold water. The internet and YouTube have many examples of how to do this but I did find some of the instructions between sites contradicted each other with both the colour the metal should be heated too as well as how to cool it.

I did initially try out a Dremel gas powered soldering iron I purchased last year as that has a hot air blower but this did not work as the hot air jet was too narrow to be of much use.

In the end I resorted to using a Pencil Blow Torch that I have had in my tool collection for at least 15 years’, probable longer. This worked a treat and out of interest I had a look on eBay and this style is still available and from just under £4.

PICTURE 7

Having tempered the brass and taken the spring out of it there is a real difference to the feel of the part. Some basic shaping of the curved parts is required and for this I used a piece of 5mm foam sheet I had knocking around and a dowel rod that allowed me to roll in the basic curve needed for this piece.

PICTURE 8

Before committing to glue it’s really important to dry fit the parts to ensure that they fit nice and even. We really only get one chance with these particular parts as there are no spares provided so take it slow, check the fit and all should be well.

PICTURE 9

Some thought was given to what type of glue to use to stick the brass etch to the MDF part and having discounted superglue I opted to use a contact adhesive and in this case it’s a tubed Evostik product called “Timebond”. It says that you can make a quick fix by putting the glue onto the less porous part and then clamping the parts together. So in this case it was put onto the brass part having roughened the back of that with some sandpaper.

You do need to be very careful with these tubed glues though because they can take a while to start dispensing but suddenly you will find the heat from your hand will put pressure into the tube and it comes shooting out.

PICTURE 10 & 11

You do need to hold the parts together (according to the instructions on the glue) for 24 hours. In this case the best clamp for this shape is the good old elastic band.

PICTURE 12 & 13

Having allowed the recommended time to dry we can remove the elastic bands. I must admit that I was pleased with how this part fitted. I never like using the word “perfect” but in this case it’s very close to that.

PICTURE 14

“CALLOUT - PROCEED WITH CARE”

The next piece of etch to add is the firebox plate and having dry fitted this piece we find a slight issue. As you can see from this picture the part appears to be slightly too tall for the section you are gluing it too. Now you might consider that not to be a major issue. However, if we fix it like this you will then have to file down this overhang once the part is in place and that risks damaging the rivet detail on the part it butts up too.

PICTURE 15

RECOMMENDATION

My suggestion is to cut a shallow slot were part 23 butts up to part 22. You can see how I have done this with the arrow pointing out the position of the slow.

PICTURE 16

This slot then allows the firebox front to sit lower preventing the overhang we saw earlier (Picture 14).
One interesting point is that the larger centre hole in the etch part has a matching hole in the MDF part and having lowered the etch it was interesting to see that both holes line up exactly so the conclusion is that this slot is required but it does not get a mention in the kit instructions.

PICTURE 17

When gluing the firebox etch part in place we need to ensure that it is left to dry under even pressure so to provide this I have used a small 5mm acrylic sheet offcut over the etch part and then a couple of small clamps to hold it all in place.

PICTURE 18

This is what things now look like with the 2 curved brass parts in place. Rather pleased with how this has tuned out.
There are still another 2 etch parts to be glued to the front end of the locomotive and a further 3 parts to the firebox section.

You may notice from this picture that a layer of paint has been added to the boiler itself but sadly not very well as it seems the Humbrol Rail Match colour I used was not happy ending up (by mistake) in my shed. The frost has got to the paint and despite stirring well it’s more like a varnish now and seems to have lost a lot of its pigment.

Need to get a replacement which for me means having to send away for it.

CONCLUSIONS:

As I am now some way into the build what are my thoughts over this new version of the kit compared to the earlier version?
Well I guess the first call out would be the change to the large number of brass etch parts. While this should give an improved finish to some of the build I would say that it’s not an easy thing to work with and needs some care when working with it.

The second thought I have is about the smaller wood strips used to line the boiler. From what I can see from pictures of the full size loco these are more accurate but for me I do not really like them as much as the wider planks used in the earlier version of the kit.
That said there are a lot of parts to add to the boiler so when complete they probable will all look ok.

And that completes my update for this week. Hope everyone has a good week next week and will catch again with you all very soon.



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Hi Tony,BigGrin

Looking good, some tidy work there in this update.

Cool Cool Cool

Looking forward already to the next update.Blink

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#48 Posted : 22 January 2017 17:33:20

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Derek

Many thanks.

Getting there slow but sure but for each piece glued on that is one less part to worry about BigGrin
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#49 Posted : 23 January 2017 15:46:42

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This looks like a great kit. Your build is coming along very nicely indeed. Superb work!
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#50 Posted : 29 January 2017 18:25:14

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SUNDAY 29th January 2017 – The Adler Locomotive Build

A very good afternoon to everyone. I hope that everyone has had a good week whatever you may have been up to.

I thought I would start this week’s update by way of a little “On this Day” entry.

On This Day 29th January

1942 The first broadcast of Desert Island Discs on BBC radio, devised and presented by Roy Plomley. It is the longest-running factual programme in the history of radio.

PICTURE 1.

The majority of this week’s build has been getting the remaining brass overlays in place. Fairly slow because I have had to clamp up each panel and allow the glue to really dry out thoroughly.

PICTURE 2.

Because the etch panels have “rivet’s” around the edge it was necessary to add some padding to ensure the clamping operation applied a nice even pressure across the piece. In this case a piece of twice folded paper kitchen towel did the job well enough.

PICTURE 3.

Just to ensure the brass parts butted up as neatly as possible to the previous piece I used a flat file just to ensure the MDF part was rubbed down to the same level as the etched part already in place. Nothing major here at all but it does ensure there are no gaps left between the various etch parts.

PICTURE 4.

Similar process with this last etch piece on the smokebox end of the loco. A piece of paper ensured that the clamping pressure was nice and even across the piece.

PICTURE 5.

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PICTURE 6.

And here we can see the firebox end of the loco with all of the supplied etch parts in place. It’s interesting to note that while they provide an etch part for under the fire box (which will probably never be seen unless you upend the loco) there is nothing provided to cover the sides of this part.

PICTURE 7.

As these sides will not be etch covered I decided to fill the slight indentations around the edge of the part were the tabs that slot together leave a slight step around the edge were they join.
Once this is rubbed down it will be sealed before a coat of primer is applied.

PICTURE 8.

A dry fit of the smokebox and firebox to the boiler. You may see that the boiler is now painted having received some new paint earlier this week. Interestingly I used Humbrol Apple Green on the previous kit and although this is the same shade it’s come out darker (even though thoroughly mixed) than before. Interesting the box art of the re-released kit is also painted in a darker shade so it all matches fairly well.

PICTURE 9 & 10.

One of the major issues with the previous version of the kit was that the wheels were about 1mm to small in diameter so when fitting the metal “tyres” it was necessary to put bands of paper around the wheel to ensure a tight fit.

I was keen at this stage to see if the same issue had transferred over to this kit and am pleased to advise they have resized the wheels and they fit the Tyres just perfectly.

In picture 9 you can see I am using the “Sand n Seal” product again as I really like the fact it is no solvent based so no nasty fumes and brushes clean out in soap and water.

In picture 10 you can see the end result having applied 2 coats of the sealer.

PICTURE 11.

A very light rub over with some fine sandpaper leaves a really nice smooth finish and this will ensure the paint is much easier to apply and hopefully in less coats as having sealed the wood first it’s not going to be soaking into the wood.

PICTURE 12.

What I did notice is that the wheels appear to be much finer that in the original kit so it’s a case of working very carefully so not to break these fragile parts.

The wheel is held to its fret by 3 tabs so again a light cut from one side and then turn over the fret and cut from the other side releases them without damage.

The triangular infills between the spokes are held in place with just one tab. At this stage do not throw these tabs away as they get used later in the build to help fit the wheel into its tyre.

PICTURE 13.

“CALLOUT - PROCEED WITH CARE”

You do end up with a small “pip” from the infill removal that needs smoothing out. I ha using a half round file but rather than across the wheel (in the picture that would see the file going from left to right) I removed the pip by moving the file from one spoke to the next. This will ensure you do not file a grove into the wheel which would be easy to do but difficult to correct.

PICTURE 14.

Once the paint on the boiler has had a couple of days to really dry out properly the next stage will be the application of the 4 brass boiler bands. The brass in the kit is in need of a thorough clean so for that purpose I will be using something I have before and that is a 3 stage process suing these products from the Rustin’s range.

The Brass Restorer will remove all of the tarnish. Care needed with this one as it’s an acid based product.

Metal Shine is the next treatment and this really does bring out the shine to the brass parts.

Metal Lacquer is the final stage to stop the air/damp getting to the brass and causing it to tarnish.


And that completes my update for this week. Hope everyone has a good week next week and will catch again with you all very soon.



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Making great progress with this.looks great so far!

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Hi Tony,BigGrin

This is one neat model and you are doing it great justice. Cool

Those wheels do look mighty fragile though, but I see why you filed the way you did. Not something that may be obvious to some modellers.Blink

Keep up the good work I`ll be following with interest.

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Many thanks for looking in and your kind comments.BigGrin Much appreciated.
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Hi this coming along very nicely. Cheers mick. BigGrin
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You're doing a great job of this, these kits look great.
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Very interesting build Tony and looks like you're doing a great job too....Cool Cool .. Look forward to your next update....Cool

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Mick, Ken, Alan

Many thanks for your kind comments.

They are interesting kits Ken and not bad as regards price for the amount of build time they give you.

Some unusual and interesting models in the range as well.
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BigGrin Looking good Tony those wheels look fiddley Cool

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great progress BigGrin Tony look forward to your next update Cool regards Phil
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Many thanks for the kind comments.
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