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This is a kit that I got on ebay about 20 years ago (and is probably significantly older than that), and I didn't actually do anything until just lately. It looks like a relatively simple construction, so I'm going to use it to learn some skills that I can hopefully transfer to more complex future work. I'm posting this build log here in order to mine the forum for help, so feel free to offer any criticism and advice, even if I don't specifically request it (which I will). This first picture is of the outside of the box. It came with two sides of a large sheet with drawings and written instructions (in 4 languages). The instructions aren't all that detailed, but they insist that they are sufficient to make a good model. There was a small section of the instruction sheet (the fourth picture) that tells you to cut out pieces of the paper, glue then on to some of the wooden parts with 'vinyl glue' and, when dry, paint with 'acrylic colours or matt smalts'. I don't know what that stuff is, and I hope someone here has some experience with how to best deal with that stuff. There were two sheets of light colored thick plywood with the keel and bulkheads, and two dark colored thin plywoods containing the decks and some other stuff. There a plastic bag contains some wooden planks and some little silver metal pieces. Also included is a piece of cloth with some sail patterns preprinted on them. RichieG attached the following image(s):
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Hi Richie, Nice kit, look forward to seeing your build progress. Congrats on your "Blue" medal for starting a diary of your build. Regards delboy271155 (Derek) COME BACK GUY FAWKES "YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU"
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 Looking forward to seeing your build Rgd Martyn Building ? Completed. Soliei Royal . Sovereign of the Seas . Virginia . Scotland . San Felipe . Corel vasa , Santisima Trinadad X section , Vasa Next Build ? When sailors have good wine, They think themselves in heaven for the time. John Baltharpe
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Hi Richie. Good luck with your build. look forward to seeing your progress. Ian Current builds.Hachettes build the bismark,HMS Victory, HMS Hood. Finished Builds Corel HMS Victory cross section.
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 Have fun with your build Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Looks like an interesting kit, should be a fun build. Graeme
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It looks like an interesting one to follow, good luck with the build.... Regards Alan
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Ok, so I started the construction last night. I'm going slow, so bear with me. All of the written instructions are about 3 paragraphs on the front of that big sheet. The first thing it says (which I reproduced in the first picture) is to wet the keel and put heavy stuff on it for 12 hours to make it flat as can be. So I ran some cold water over it at the kitchen sink, dried it with a towel, and put it on the table with a stack of books on top. (Before I did this, I put it on the table, and when I pressed on one side, the other lifted about a millimeter. I'm not sure that's enough to make a difference, but I figured I might as well follow the instruction.) The bulkheads weren't labeled on the parts themselves, and many of them looked almost exactly the same shape, so I was concerned that I wouldn't be able to distinguish them. But, leafing through the papers in the box, I found a sheet of paper with full size drawings of each part, so, with some measuring, I labeled in pencil each of the bulkheads. Tonight, if all goes well, I plan to glue the first of the bulkheads onto the keel. RichieG attached the following image(s):
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Looks an interesting model. Hope it all goes well for you. Happy Modelling
BUILDING: Hachette Spitfire Mk 1A, Constructo Mayflower SUBSCRIPTION COMPLETE (Awaiting building): USS Constitution, Sovereign of the Seas, 1:200 Bismarck (Hachette) COMPLETED: Porsche 911, E-Type Jaguar, Lam Countach
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First of all, many thanks to delboy, martyn, ian,arpurchase, pemberg, gandale, and birdaj2 for looking in. I'm hoping you guys can help me out if and when I get hopelessly stuck. So, the written instructions would have me glue the bulkheads onto the keel as my first step. But, as I look at the pictures on the instructions sheet, there's a picture of the deck with notches cut out. And I'm thinking, "if I cut these notches out exactly as on the plan, I should be fine." But I decided to cut out the deck notches before gluing on the bulkheads, and it turns out that the notches on the plan are way too small to accept the bulkheads. So I decided to dry fit the bulkheads first, and cut out the deck notches to make sure everything fits before I glue it. (additionally, it turns out it's much easier to fit the deck to the bulkheads if they're not attached to the keel.) So the first picture if of the 'deck jig' as on the plan sheet, and the second shows how the notches I ended making weren't all that close to the drawing. But that's what it took to make them accept the bulkheads. I have pictures of the first two bulkheads individually, with views from above and below the deck, and then a picture of the two bulkheads and deck dry-fitted onto the keel. You can see that the deck slopes down pretty severely from the bow to the first bulkhead. I'm not sure this is ok, but I'll add some more bulkheads and see how it looks. RichieG attached the following image(s):
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Incidentally, a question to the more experienced ship modelers here: from what I've seen, the bulkheads usually are meant to fit into the slot such that the top of the bulkhead is flush with the top of the keel. In this kit, the top of the bulkhead extends significantly above the top of the keel. Is that ok? or am I doing something wrong? (I also note that the bottoms of the bulkheads don't extend to the bottom of the keel; in this model, they don't add a separate piece for the sternpost or bow, or for along the bottom (I think it's called the true keel or false keel?). The plywood center piece gets planked such that part of it sticks out in front, in back, and along the bottom. From what I've seen, that is not the way it is commonly done these days...)
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 The bulkheads are the same as the Vasa I am building that they don't go to the bottom of the keel so as long as the slots meet at the keel and the bulkheads it should be fine  If you have a one to one plan check with that. Hope this helps rgd Martyn Building ? Completed. Soliei Royal . Sovereign of the Seas . Virginia . Scotland . San Felipe . Corel vasa , Santisima Trinadad X section , Vasa Next Build ? When sailors have good wine, They think themselves in heaven for the time. John Baltharpe
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Looks like a nice little kit, will be watching with interest “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.” -Mark Twain
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thanks Martyn, yes it does help just to get some feedback. I did look at the pictures, and they show the bulkheads sticking up above the keel too, so I think I'm on the right track. The deck certainly isn't going to be flat; there's a nice downward slope from the bow. I think I'll have to really clamp it tight when I glue it in to keep it in contact with all of the bulkheads (but I'll worry about that when I finish cutting out all of those slots...)
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Hi Richie, from what I can see I would say things are looking fine. It was common for ships to have decks that sloped from the bow and stern towards the centre so is not unusual.  .. Will be following... Regards Alan
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Hi Richie, What a trip down memory lane. My parents gave me this exact kit for Christmas in the late 1980s. I'm really enjoying your build. You are doing a great job. kind regards, Garth "Measure twice, cut once!!!" Finished!!! HMS Victory, Current build: Black Pearl. On hold: Bismarck, Golden Hind, Flying Scotsman, Victory Cross Section, SOTS, Tiger 1. Wish list: USS Constitution.
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Hi Richie. progressing nicely. look forward to seeing your progress. Ian Current builds.Hachettes build the bismark,HMS Victory, HMS Hood. Finished Builds Corel HMS Victory cross section.
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Hi Richie, good start so far. Should turn out to be fine model. Completed projects: 1/43 scale Bedford HA van / 1/43 scale MG TD sports car Current projects: 1/48 scale U-boat [U230] Future projects: 1/148 scale railway diorama / 1/50 scale R/C Volvo F89 logging truck / 1/148 scale Thunderbirds Fireflash
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Hi Richie. That's a nice looking kit you've started. Shame about the instructions but the plan looks fairly good judging from the photo you included. I understand your concern about the sharp rake of the deck from the bow, but as long as you've placed the correct frames in the correct slots in the keel (and I see no reason to think that you haven't), then the angle would appear to be correct (although from looking at the drawings you've provided, the incline doesn't appear to be that pronounced). I'm sure that once all the other frames are in place and you've ensured that they are seated correctly in the keel and the deck dry fitted again, the incline may look less severe than when taken out of context with the rest of the hull. This is a fine looking model and I shall be following along with progress and look forward to seeing more. Happy building David
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thanks to all who've given encouragement! It is appreciated. Garth, funny how you had this same model. Did you end up finishing it?
Just an update (no pictures yet, but I'll post some when I finish getting the decks and bulkheads all dry-fitted.) I was just going down the line, dry-fitting bulkheads in sequence, and cutting notches into the deck. (My technique is to mark where I think the slot should be with pencil, cut the edges about 5 mm deep with a small saw, break off the waste piece with tweezers, and then file the hell out of it until it's wide enough and deep enough to comfortably fit the bulkhead. It's slow work, but strangely satisfying.) Each subsequent bulkhead sits lower on the keel, until the fifth one sits completely flush. Then between 6 and 9, there's a small 1-2 mm elevation. And number 10 is at the point where that deck ends and a smaller higher aft-deck begins. The deck piece is thin enough and flexible enough to make the curve (it's actually a double curve; there's a 'smile' curve from front to back, and a slight 'frown' from port to starboard. But, I think it'll look good if I can get the deck to hug those curves nice and tight.) I'll try to finish it up this weekend and put up some pictures on Monday. Again, thanks for everyone's help. I'm glad I stumbled upon this forum, because I'd probably have gotten discouraged without the support you guys have provided.
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