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Benny,
its a case of how close to the top of the ports you have placed the top moulding strip which may also have to be moved, certainly for the top row central span of guns there are no port lids to worry about, but if you raise the ports for the 10 central guns your also going to have to look at adjusting the balance of ports on the top row, bearing in mind that these have already been drilled.
Personally I would hang fire until you have issue 50 and all 10 guns ready so you can look at adjustment, not forgetting that there is a natural end to end deck curve.
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benny wrote:this isnt good enough it could totally wreck our builds..if darron knew why didnt the instructions tell us to do what darron has done I totally agree Come on you Jimmies
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check mine and its ok 0.5mm high may be
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Hi saintsman 123!  If you what to run the guns out fully then the only way is to widen the gun ports to 13.5mm I used a 13.5mm x 11.5mm block to set the frames for the gun ports that is the only way I can have the gun in the centre of the ports. Also each gun ports lid will be a different size to allow for the curve of the hull, when you stand back all the ports look the same size, instead of looking short in the middle and taller at the ends.   Hi benny!  Sorry mate I hoped I was going to be proofed wrong,  It would have meant more work on your part and more cost. We could have marked the bottom of each gun port as we got the planks to that point, measuring from the deck on the inside then transferring it to the outside. The problem is we didn't get to fit the upper deck until now after the upper & lower hull is planked, had we got the deck as we build up the hull then you would have found out that there was a problem and only had to remove some of the planks to correct it!.
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Tomick wrote:Benny,
its a case of how close to the top of the ports you have placed the top moulding strip which may also have to be moved, certainly for the top row central span of guns there are no port lids to worry about, but if you raise the ports for the 10 central guns your also going to have to look at adjusting the balance of ports on the top row, bearing in mind that these have already been drilled.
Personally I would hang fire until you have issue 50 and all 10 guns ready so you can look at adjustment, not forgetting that there is a natural end to end deck curve. thanks tomick but what i have done is place a piece of decking and a piece of deck support onto the rib and then place the cannon onto that and levelled it and each port is 3 mm to low so even if the deck is slightly curved from end to end it doesnt seem to make a difference..or am i missing something..cheers benny cheers benny
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saintsman123 wrote:I understand what you are saying Tomick, but if anyone wants to run the guns out a bit further they are in trouble, and you have not come up with any help as to why the guns don't fit when fitted as per RIff Raff's initial post especially when son of bulwark seemed to know this would happen I can only by what the magazine steps show which is the intended build, which show's that the top row of guns exit the port by approx 5mm, my build is a reflection of the magazine steps. If you read riff-raff's post you'll find that he's not built the deck as per the magazine steps, not that this should make much difference, but going outide of the intended steps can cause problems in the same way that lowering the upper deck by 1.5mm will likely do. Ultimately I do not produce the intended build nor have I designed the model, but the build steps reflect instruction from the manufacturer/designer, if you are unhappy with this then I can only suggest that you take it up with the publisher rather than sound off at me.
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thanks darron i see wat u mean about the oversized ports i have just placed my cannon in the port and it doesnt sit centre to the port its about 3/4 the way across so not only are the ports too low there to close to the rib too cheers benny
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Tomick wrote:riff-raff,
Its possible you may have a problem later on, I'll hazard a guess that the central waist area beams are supported by beam posts, which in effect will be 1.5mm short in height if the upper deck has been lowered by 1.5mm.
I understand this Tomick - I will just have to wait and play it by ear. If I have to make the columns 1.5mm taller then it shouldn't be too much of a problem. It's only 0.75 on the top of the column and 0.75 on the bottom. Riff-Raff You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.
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benny wrote:thanks darron i see wat u mean about the oversized ports i have just placed my cannon in the port and it doesnt sit centre to the port its about 3/4 the way across so not only are the ports too low there to close to the rib too That's what I was trying to say, sorry if I've offended Tomick Come on you Jimmies
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Benny I've just checked from where the bottom of the lower deck is to the bottom of the upper gun ports using paper to follow the hull's shape, it is 60mm in the centre and 58mm at the bow & stern, I haven't done the second planking yet on the upper hull so this shows that there was an error in the instructions. If I use a sliding setsquare held vertically then it would be 57mm above the bottom of the lower deck to the bottom of the upper gun ports (bow, centre & stern) . The bottom of all my ports is 4mm above the deck so when I line the ports with 1.5mm lime the bottom of the ports will be 5.5mm above the deck on the inside.
I feel sorry that Tomick is the person who is trying to help us with this problem he is following the instruction as are many of you, the only difference is he has to, We Don't! The real people who are to blame aren't on the forum saying sorry.
Time to take a chill-pill I think shipmates!
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But is Tomick experiencing the same problem as you guys or not since as you say, he has followed the official instructions?
Must say I'm getting confused now.
John
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thanks darron all my measurements are the same as yours,but something doesnt seem right,i will just plod on and see what happens...benny cheers benny
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riff-raff wrote:Tomick wrote:riff-raff,
Its possible you may have a problem later on, I'll hazard a guess that the central waist area beams are supported by beam posts, which in effect will be 1.5mm short in height if the upper deck has been lowered by 1.5mm.
I understand this Tomick - I will just have to wait and play it by ear. If I have to make the columns 1.5mm taller then it shouldn't be too much of a problem. It's only 0.75 on the top of the column and 0.75 on the bottom. Riff-Raff You could always sweet talk Mike T or Karl to turn you some new ones 
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Hi saintsman 123! Cool If you what to run the guns out fully then the only way is to widen the gun ports to 13.5mm I used a 13.5mm x 11.5mm block to set the frames for the gun ports that is the only way I can have the gun in the centre of the ports. Also each gun ports lid will be a different size to allow for the curve of the hull, when you stand back all the ports look the same size, instead of looking short in the middle and taller at the ends. Thanks Darron Come on you Jimmies
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Darron thats me saying thanks, did'nt want to quote and include everything Come on you Jimmies
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I've solved the problem (for me anyway), as I'm not ever going to get historical accuracy, I've taken the barrel from a couple of the cannons, and filed down the groove where the barrel pivots, this has lowered the barrel enough to get them through, I have also filed the wheels to make them a bit thinner which allows me to centralise the guns in the port if I run them out. Come on you Jimmies
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z8000783 wrote:But is Tomick experiencing the same problem as you guys or not since as you say, he has followed the official instructions?
Must say I'm getting confused now.
John Hi John if you take a look at Tomick Build the section with the inside from rib 16 to 17 as he lines the bulwarks you will see that the bottom of his gun ports are in fact very close to the deck, so when the gun is in place how much space will there be between the cannon and the top of the port. We will have to wait and see. Link to Tomick's diary http://forum.model-space...ts&m=22848#post22848
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Son of Bulwark wrote:z8000783 wrote:But is Tomick experiencing the same problem as you guys or not since as you say, he has followed the official instructions?
Must say I'm getting confused now.
John Hi John if you take a look at Tomick Build the section with the inside from rib 16 to 17 as he lines the bulwarks you will see that the bottom of his gun ports are in fact very close to the deck, so when the gun is in place how much space will there be between the cannon and the top of the port. We will have to wait and see. Link to Tomick's diary http://forum.model-space...s&m=22848#post22848
Thanks as ever Darron. I await issue 51 with interest, unless Tomick has tried the cannons in position already and could let us know the result? John
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saintsman123 wrote:I've solved the problem (for me anyway), as I'm not ever going to get historical accuracy, I've taken the barrel from a couple of the cannons, and filed down the groove where the barrel pivots, this has lowered the barrel enough to get them through, I have also filed the wheels to make them a bit thinner which allows me to centralise the guns in the port if I run them out. Mmmm Good idea - seems plausable to me even if I can get another .5mm from this method You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.
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z8000783 wrote:Son of Bulwark wrote:z8000783 wrote:But is Tomick experiencing the same problem as you guys or not since as you say, he has followed the official instructions?
Must say I'm getting confused now.
John Hi John if you take a look at Tomick Build the section with the inside from rib 16 to 17 as he lines the bulwarks you will see that the bottom of his gun ports are in fact very close to the deck, so when the gun is in place how much space will there be between the cannon and the top of the port. We will have to wait and see. Link to Tomick's diary http://forum.model-space...s&m=22848#post22848
Thanks as ever Darron. I await issue 51 with interest, unless Tomick has tried the cannons in position already and could let us know the result? John I wondered if Tomick had tried the cannons, but didn't want to say anything in case he shouted at me again  Come on you Jimmies
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