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Hi shipmates, sorry to bother you again with an issue already often discussed. The gunports. I am stuck at issue 23 where I am about to cut the holes for the first gunports. And I am still confused what size the gunports should be, as I would like to add some inner frames like Zeptrader and Tom did. My first attempt the past weekend ended with a minor disaster. I added some frames BEFORE planking but was afraid afterwards that I would not be able to cut the wholes in the planks precisly enough to match them.   So I removed everything including the second deck, to add the frames AFTER planking. Eight hours of work for nothing. beggar. The Magazine: Cutted wholes are 12mm square. Including the linings which come with issue #34 (1,5mm each) the final gunport is 9x9 mm. am i right? Son of Bulwark wrote: "....r block cut to 13.5mm x 11.5mm as the gun ports on Victory aren't square they are wider than they height." Tom: Cutted wholes are 10x10mm and the inner frames 9x9 mm. My concern is that later on the lids for gunport would not fit or be in the right scale if I screw it up at this stage. Will the lids provided still fit? To those who have already finished this step: What is YOUR size of the gunports now? THX for your help!! Timm My build diary hereCurrent Build:HMS Victory
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I would like to know the answer to this one too! Present Build: H.M.S. Victory
H.M. Bark EndeavourPhotobox build albumIt cant be that bad, what do you mean it's sinking
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It is likely that the individual port lid squares will be cut from strip to the porthole dimensions noted in the magazine, and enough material provided to complete the task.
Therefore if your portholes are larger than the 'official' size you will need to purchase strip to suit the dimensions of the port size you have.
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Hi Timm!  The port size was 13.5mm wide x 11.5mm high I changed the lining from 1mm to 1.5mm in the end with the glue and slight different in wood thinkness I ended up with a final gun port size 10.4mm to 10.2mm wide only a 0.2mm difference and 8.5mm to 8.4mm high only 0.1mm difference I have used a 10mm wide strip of walnut to do a test lid and when sealed and varnished it fit perfect. Below is the posts in my build diary that show the sets for the first line of gun ports. http://forum.model-space...s&m=17759#post17759
http://forum.model-space...s&m=18372#post18372
http://forum.model-space...s&m=18457#post18457 Also how to cut out the ports as you plank. Step 1 - I line the knife up with the frame and cut down stopping sort of the bottom of the plank repeated this 3-4 times. Step 2 - Then cut up from the bottom in the same way. Step 3 - Then putting the blade in the port next to the frame rocked the knife up and down slowly cutting down the plank, repeated on the other side. Step 4 - Removed the piece of plank. Step 5 - Check the fit with the spacer block, trim if needed or file. Continue for all the ports then fit next layer of planks. Step 6 - Use the spacer block in the port as a guide, with the Knife blade flat cut along the top of the block stopping before you reach the corner, repeat until almost through. Step 7 - Cut up to the top of the port on each side, not going to far. Step 8 - Finish cutting out the piece of plank, cleanup the corners of the gun port. Step 9 - Check again with the spacer block adjust if needed. Step 10 - Another port finished more on to the next.  
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Hi Timm! One last point the problem with make square frames then fitting them is the gun port will be in the wrong place the ports fit next to the rib so with the extra frame side the port is moved away from the rib. That is why I use a top and bottom frame between the ribs using a spacer block then fitted the side piece upto the block, only some of the ports need frames on both sides or an extra 1mm - 2mm to lineup the port correctly.
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Thank you all guys for solving this little confusion, @Darron: I was about to do it your way when it comes to cutting, but after the first plank I was afraid that would not hit the frame precisely enough and I started all over again. Finished the sixth row of planking tonight so gunport cutting will be the next step. Still like the way Tom and Zeptrader did their inner frames so will go for a 10x10mm hole and 9x9 mm inner frames. Good night, Timm My build diary hereCurrent Build:HMS Victory
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Hello friends, have to bother you again. After having cut the fifth gunport I noticed that, on my build, the distance between those gunports is not always the same, as the distance between the rips varies from 3,6 to 4 cm and more. Did I make something wrong or is this the way it is? Do the port have to have the same distance in between? Thanks for any comments. Timm My build diary hereCurrent Build:HMS Victory
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Mr.Quist wrote:Hello friends,
have to bother you again. After having cut the fifth gunport I noticed that, on my build, the distance between those gunports is not always the same, as the distance between the rips varies from 3,6 to 4 cm and more.
Did I make something wrong or is this the way it is?
Do the port have to have the same distance in between?
Thanks for any comments.
Timm try making them the same and you will go through the ribs the ribs is the spaceing if you look a the spaceing in the mag its gives the distance from the ribs or next to it
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beggar.... I measures always as in the mag, 12mm from each rib, except the ones at the end. But if the distances between the rips are not the same, the ones between the gunport will be too. For instance: Rib 20 to 21 = 4cm Rib 25 to 26 = 3,5 cm If the all have to be the same, I will end up with planking the whole side once again.  My build diary hereCurrent Build:HMS Victory
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the ends ones come in between the ribs other words centre the two ribs that are 15mm apart front and back there are differance in the ports if the ribs are right then the ports are right ribs are set buy the false keel so you must be right
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willie wrote:the ends ones come in between the ribs other words centre the two ribs that are 15mm apart front and back there are differance in the ports if the ribs are right then the ports are right ribs are set buy the false keel so you must be right Thank willie, I know that. But I have now cutted six gunport beginning from the stern and the all vary a bit even tough they are aligned to each rib. How did You manage to make them all the same? My build diary hereCurrent Build:HMS Victory
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they are not the same mine are differ spaced from 5mm to 8mm its the ribs thay determen the space when cutting out you shoud touch the ribs and the frame glues to the rib and planks there and the only ones in line are the top and bottom ones
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If it helps anyone. My ports are the same size 'cos I happened to have a file that was exactly 12mm wide.  I could have made a sanding block of that size to have achieved the same result. Laury
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Thanks Laury, In case I did not get myself right: In my last post I wasn't talking about the size of the gunports itself, but of the distance between them. Do all of your gunports have the same space in between? Timm My build diary hereCurrent Build:HMS Victory
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Sorry Mr.Q,  no they were cut in relation to the bulkheads and the measurements given in the instructions, which I found quite straight forward. That means most are equidistant a midships, but not at bow or stern. Hope that helps.  Laury
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Mr.Quist wrote:Thanks Laury,
In case I did not get myself right:
In my last post I wasn't talking about the size of the gunports itself,
but of the distance between them.
Do all of your gunports have the same space in between?
Timm and i give up you won
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