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In issue 75 the diagrams for the main mast Chainwales are confusing. The top view shows the location of the holes and cutouts, but when compared to the side view, the holes for the blocks match up, but the slots for the deadeyes do not, notably the sixth slot from the left. It seems to show the block layout for the starboard side, but the dead eye set up for the port. Is it me?
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Yes, I see what you mean Steve. I have just finished these and I never noticed that. TBH I never used the side view at all just the plan view looking down for the drilling. The side view then tells you which of the small or large deadeyes to use for the relative positioning in the slots.
Just follow that and you should be OK.
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Thanks for the reply John. I'll crack on. Are you new to Model boats? This is the first De Agostini I've made. It was actually bought by a friend who subsequently passed away, so his widow asked me to make the model in his memory. I am a bit disappointed with the quality of the kit. I'm used to making the likes of Artesania Latina where the wood supplied is frequently walnut so there is no need to stain details.
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Yes, pretty much new to it all. I did start a Bluenose model years ago and still to finish. I don't have any experience of other models so I can't compare but this one has had a few issues over the build but nothing major.
The key points though, are the detailed instructions, the videos and this forum. Even though it was billed as a model for beginners I could not have done it without the help. I am in no rush and it’s been 7 years already, I have no idea where that time went, but I am enjoying it immensely. Good luck with you continuation.
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Very brave of you todo such a large model for a first build. I would recommend having a look at some of the Artesania models. Much cheaper and not such a large model, but still brilliant detail
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SteveJ wrote:I am a bit disappointed with the quality of the kit. I'm used to making the likes of Artesania Latina where the wood supplied is frequently walnut so there is no need to stain details. The DeAgostini Victory is in fact designed and manufactured/supplied by Artesania Latina, it has a differing and larger content that it's retail equivalent, such as additional ships boats, the option to have a Cutaway and include figures., you'll also find that the instructions are far superior and take you through the process step by step, where as the Artesania instructions assume you have constructed previous Ship models and has minimal instructions.
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I do agree that the instructions are generally good and detailed enough for a novice builder to be able to take on the build. I think my main disappointment with the kit is the fact that all the wood seems to be lime or boxwood and it is left to the builder to stain the wood. Having built several Artesania models in the past, as well as Billings and Mantua. I think the use of wood such as walnut for fittings and hull planking gives a better finish, although I realise that this would involve double planking for the hull which could make the model more complicated. By the way, did you pick up my comment and my reason for this post, that the instructions in issue 75 for building the main mast chainwales mixes up the port and starboard diagrams?
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I think my main disappointment with the kit is the fact that all the wood seems to be lime or boxwood and it is left to the builder to stain the wood. Given the size of the model DeAg would have either had to bump up the price or remove some detail to add walnut double planking. I don't disagree but when you look at the level of detail and the price compared to other DeAg ships which do have double planking I think the Victory gives a great return for the price “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
-Mark Twain
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Whilst I can agree the overhead image of the main chainwale may be slightly confusing it is also true to say that in the 7 years since this kit has been on sale, problems in producing the correct end result of the main chainwales has not come to light.
Would say if you drill the first main chainwale as shown in the overhead plan, then drill the second main chainwale as a mirror image, you'll end up with left & right main chainwales (port/starboard).
Then take the Starboard chainwale and fit it out in accordance with the side view plan, then fit out the Port chainwale as a direct mirror image. You will then have produced a correct set of Port & Starboard main chainwales.
Hope this helps....
Regards
Alan
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Hi there Alan. Thanks for you reply. I realise that this is by not an even minor issue (!) but it is still not possible to follow the plan. I only raised the point because the instructions say to 'pay particular attention to the main chainwales'. Even following your instructions there is still a difference. No matter how I drill and place parts, in the side view the chainwales the holes for the blocks cannot match up with the gaps for the deadeyes! No matter which way up the chainwale is viewed. I either end up with the blocks or the deadeyes in the right order. The difference is only millimetres and I'm sure this will make no difference to the end result. I'm not being pedantic, just wary that I may have had problems later in the build. I am still happily progressing with the model.
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