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Pack 30 and a very odd 'cooling fan' Options
Drifter753
#1 Posted : 29 November 2017 15:08:58

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Hi everyone,
I've been building the E-type for a while now, surmounted the difficulties of building the spare wheel, and have arrived at issue 30...

To my surprise, the first thing I noticed in the parts supplied with this issue was a pair of aircraft wings! Further investigation revealed that this part (30-4) is called a cooling fan!

Has anyone else had cause to question this strange design? I thought that rotating parts like fans and propellors had to have 'rotational symmetry', ie; whichever way the part is rotated, it looks the same...

Is there an engineer out there with E-Type experience who can shed some light on this for me?

BTW, I have spoken with Customer Service about this matter, and their response, so far, is to send me another Pack 30.
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#2 Posted : 29 November 2017 15:27:00

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i was expecting a four blade fan, surprised its only two.
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It should be two blade for a series 1 but yes, there should be an opposing 'twist' to the blades. The kit part is symmetrical but the overall shape is correct.
Bear in mind it will be completely hidden inside the fan shroud.

Roy.
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#4 Posted : 29 November 2017 16:06:40

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roymattblack wrote:
It should be two blade for a series 1 but yes, there should be an opposing 'twist' to the blades. The kit part is symmetrical meaning it wouldn't work.
In fact it would probably vibrate like crazy.
Roy.


I agree on both points, Roy.
The original fan I have seen described as a 'Flymo blade', not quite what is presented in the kit!

Stu
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#5 Posted : 29 November 2017 16:20:27

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The real thing..
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#6 Posted : 29 November 2017 16:42:22

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I've edited my post above as it sounded as if I was complaining which wasn't my intention.
The fan blades are actually pretty close to the real thing in overall shape.
Bear in mind you can't see them anyway when the model is built.
Also, there were quite a few variants anyway.

Roy.
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#7 Posted : 29 November 2017 18:54:58

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Thanks for that, Roy. While I am aware it may not be visible once the model is completed, I will know that it's there! And I am paying a lot of money for what is a Jaguar Heritage approved, supposedly accurate model. I would imagine that there will be an awful lot of this model which is not visible when complete, but I'd like to think it was all to a good standard of accuracy, or what is the point?
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#8 Posted : 29 November 2017 20:19:28

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All models have compromises by the fact of being a model, you won’t find an accurate representation in the truest sense simply because it is a model. It’s the very reason why modellers have a passion to enhance and upgrade as Roy is doing with his customised build.
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Has anyone found an image of this part in an E-Type engine bay? I've had a look at various images of early and late E-Types but haven't managed to find one so far.
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#10 Posted : 29 November 2017 20:56:13

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Most people will accept small compromises on a model and either live with them or try and enhance them themselves. You get a lot of car for your £900 on this build
which maybe isn't cheap but compared to the one below is a steal

https://www.amalgamcolle...ype-series-1-3-8-coupe/

Al
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Certainly mention of it all over the place..one example here:
http://www.fossewayperfo....uk/e-type-cooling-fan/
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#12 Posted : 29 November 2017 22:01:38

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Thanks Tomick

I guess I was expecting to see the two fin fan itself.
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#13 Posted : 30 November 2017 00:11:27

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I think I have solved this one. Cut two fans in half, stick left half of fan 'a' to left half of fan 'b'; resulting in a realistic representation of a fan. Repeat with the other two halves, you've got a spare!

However, I still feel very strongly that to include a part, in an expensive, quality product, which is so obviously incorrect should not have happened. Where is the quality control? What else might I find? Do I still have confidence that this model is worth my time and effort (and money)?

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#14 Posted : 30 November 2017 00:18:09

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FWIW, doing a g**gle search for a series 1 E-type cooling fan will give you plenty of images of 'Flymo' type fans, none of which seem to be in-situ in a vehicle...
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#15 Posted : 30 November 2017 00:35:55

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Mr Drifter...
I hear what you are saying but at the end of the day, show any of us ANY model kit, anywhere, that has everything correct.

I don't build 'wingy-things' but there are literally entire forums moaning about the Tamiya Spitfire because X-Y-Z isn't quite right, or the Airfix B109 that has A-B-C the wrong shape.

I'm sure that anyone can find something wrong somewhere, with ANY kit.

I honestly mean no disrespect, but if the model was 2cm too long, or too short, or if the doors were the wrong shape, or it had the wrong carbs on the engine, then I think most would agree.
But to complain that the fan blades aren't flat ended, or the pitch angle isn't correct on each side - it does seem a bit minor.

At the end of the day it's a model kit.
I built the Pocher Aventador about a year+ ago and there weren't just wrong parts, there were entire components missing.
I didn't complain. I made them myself.
For me, model making means just that - making...

Have fun. I love the hobby.
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#16 Posted : 30 November 2017 09:46:44

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roymattblack wrote:

I built the Pocher Aventador about a year+ ago and there weren't just wrong parts, there were entire components missing.


I can't overstate how incredibly annoying this is.

With a DeAgostini model, practically everything that is in the real car is also in the model, no matter if it will be visible or not. And that's great because you KNOW it's there. So maybe the invisible thing is slightly off in terms of accuracy but at least it's there.

With the Pocher, whatever is not visible simply does not exist. And that's bad, because you KNOW it's not there. I look at the Aventador beside me admiring the awesome paintjob and then I think about what's inside and I need my security blanket.
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Drifter753 wrote:
FWIW, doing a g**gle search for a series 1 E-type cooling fan will give you plenty of images of 'Flymo' type fans, none of which seem to be in-situ in a vehicle...


Hi All, BigGrin

Unless you actually own an etype or know some lucky so and so who does then it`s difficult to get a picture of a fan in situ.

Whilst building my own Jag model, I purchased a manual from the famous Haynes collection.

Not a photograph as such, but a drawing of how the header tank is mounted and at the bottom of that drawing is the Flymo blade. Ooops I mean cooling fan.

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#18 Posted : 30 November 2017 17:54:53

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I have a friend who owns one of the original 'Cunningham three' semi-lightweight E Types.
I built a massively detailed model of the car for him about 2 years ago, right down to the dirt, stains and light rust. The car has never been restored.
A real beauty...

The last pic is my model.

Roy.
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Wouldn't have know the last picture was a model.

Mark
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#20 Posted : 30 November 2017 18:18:02

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Hello Mark.
Many thanks.
Here's the beastie on my bench...

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