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Hi Guys, Since I realised the Johnny Walker decals are not on the model Its had me thinking... First off... I like Johnny Walker, both the product and as a sponsor and being a hardcore McLaren fan, I want the logos on the car. Now, as someone on here has kindly pointed out, There is a decal set you can buy with the Rear wing JW Decal, but the JW decals for the wing mirrors, I'm struggling to find them. http://www.hlj.com/product/MCLDC-585
Now, whats everyone else planning to do? I know alot of you are really into your model making so I doubt you would want an 'unfinished' model and you guys will know more about it than me... so from the pro's.. whats your views? And secondly... Why are they not included anyway? is it because its a alcohol sponsor? Thanks guys. Building the McLaren MP4-23
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Correct, because its an alcohol sponsor in the same way that tobacco advertising is not allowed.
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Tomick wrote:Correct, becuase its an alcohol sponsor in the same way that tobacco advertising is not allowed. Thought so... Although in my personal opinion its complete rubbish.... but hey ho the worlds gone crazy Building the McLaren MP4-23
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Hi all, Quote:Tomick wrote: Correct, becuase its an alcohol sponsor in the same way that tobacco advertising is not allowed. I think there is a way round selling models that have either Tobacco or Alcohol sponsors in the decals provided. I have seen it done in the past with 'aftermarket' decal sheets, whereby the words that make up the offending 'sponsors' names are printed minus the first letters of each word in their title, BUT the first letters are printed on the same sheet but away from the main part .. or even on a separate sheet?? For example: 'Johnny Walker' can't be printed and SOLD that way because of the way the law prevents it, but I think the law can be by-passed if, on the decal sheet you have the words 'ohnny alker' printed, but with enough space between the words and on the beginning, to ADD the separately printed capital letters of 'J' and 'W' and any relevant logos particular to that brand?? Similarly , it is illegal to sell decals of the 'Marlboro' brand, but it isn't illegal, as far as I know, to sell the word 'arlboro' with a separate capital letter 'M' methinks!! After all there is no law that I am aware of that makes it illegal for any individual to spell Tobacco/Alcohol brand names by adding or subtracting letters, otherwise it would thus be illegal to sell anything to do with the alphabet!! Similarly I could go and buy one of the many Alphabet Decal sheets and spell 'Johnny Walker' or 'Marlboro' or any other until my hearts content and there ain't nothing the law can do about it!! There is always a 'Grey' area to any law that will allow 'Loopholes' such as this!! I hope that you understand my explanation?? Maybe Admin can check the legality of doing it this way (or not as the case may be?), as I am sure that many DeAg 'Mac' builders would be only too pleased to buy them as an extra, myself included, if it makes the model that much more complete?? And yes, the law is an 'ss' (capital 'A' provided separately of course- LOL) ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Regards ... Kev.
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SennaMentalMe wrote: Hi all, Quote:Tomick wrote: Correct, becuase its an alcohol sponsor in the same way that tobacco advertising is not allowed. I think there is a way round selling models that have either Tobacco or Alcohol sponsors in the decals provided. I have seen it done in the past with 'aftermarket' decal sheets, whereby the words that make up the offending 'sponsors' names are printed minus the first letters of each word in their title, BUT the first letters are printed on the same sheet but away from the main part .. or even on a separate sheet?? For example: 'Johnny Walker' can't be printed and SOLD that way because of the way the law prevents it, but I think the law can be by-passed if, on the decal sheet you have the words 'ohnny alker' printed, but with enough space between the words and on the beginning, to ADD the separately printed capital letters of 'J' and 'W' and any relevant logos particular to that brand?? Similarly , it is illegal to sell decals of the 'Marlboro' brand, but it isn't illegal, as far as I know, to sell the word 'arlboro' with a separate capital letter 'M' methinks!! After all there is no law that I am aware of that makes it illegal for any individual to spell Tobacco/Alcohol brand names by adding or subtracting letters, otherwise it would thus be illegal to sell anything to do with the alphabet!! Similarly I could go and buy one of the many Alphabet Decal sheets and spell 'Johnny Walker' or 'Marlboro' or any other until my hearts content and there ain't nothing the law can do about it!! There is always a 'Grey' area to any law that will allow 'Loopholes' such as this!! I hope that you understand my explanation?? Maybe Admin can check the legality of doing it this way (or not as the case may be?), as I am sure that many DeAg 'Mac' builders would be only too pleased to buy them as an extra, myself included, if it makes the model that much more complete?? And yes, the law is an 'ss' (capital 'A' provided separately of course- LOL) Hi again mate! Thats very interesting!! Lets see what comes of that.. Admin? How easy would doing that on the wing mirrors be? Fairly fiddly I suspect!? I think we *may* get somewhere with this Building the McLaren MP4-23
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Hi there fellow Senna fan!! Quote:How easy would doing that on the wing mirrors be? Fairly fiddly I suspect!? Fiddly, yes but NOT impossible and a solution to the problem of missing decals methinks!! ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Regards ... Kev.
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Hi all, Just sitting here thinking about this problem some more and I landed on the fact that a lot of kit manufacturers aren't allowed to sell models with 'naughties' advertised, BUT how come the 'aftermarket' decal makers can come up with and sell decal sheets for other makers' models, that contain the 'missing' sponsors logos and THAT practise can STILL be legal?? Example: the decal sheets for this build that can be bought from a certain supplier in Japan? It is a well known fact amongst modellers that if Tamiya or some other kit manufacturer brings out a new kit without the bad advertising, then just wait a month or two and HEY PRESTO a decal supplier will print them up and put them on the market for you!! How does that work but remain within the law unless as I stated in my other post, there is no law aginst selling words BUT there is if it is ON an object?? Just what I meant by a 'Grey' area!! _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Regards ... Kev.
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This is more of a call for advise but I've just been looking into custom decals and came accross a site which offers water slide decal paper to print your own decals onto and then transfer onto the model. Now as much as the fact Johnny Walker logos aren't provided is bugging me, I don't want to stuff the model up with some cheapo home made decals, but to me it's not a complete model if it doesn't have these logos on. Now we've sussed out the rear wing endplate decals I'm talking about the decals on the back of the wing mirrors. I have a perfect replica logo of what is on the rear of the wing mirrors, but unsure about this method. Any ideas/thoughts? Building the McLaren MP4-23
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Could you not scale the rough size off the photos then find the decals off some other model?
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Austin wrote:Could you not scale the rough size off the photos then find the decals off some other model? I've been trying to do this but so far no joy, I think the 1:18 are too big and can't find any others But if you come across any that would be brilliant. Building the McLaren MP4-23
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I think maybe printing them yourself would be a great idea, if your printer and decal material is of good quality it should be just as good as the ones you get with models. My only concern would be how to apply them as I think most printers use water based inks, and you usually use water to apply them????
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Austin wrote:I think maybe printing them yourself would be a great idea, if your printer and decal material is of good quality it should be just as good as the ones you get with models. My only concern would be how to apply them as I think most printers use water based inks, and you usually use water to apply them???? Yeah I thought exactly the same thing but it seems this is do-able. Just watched a video on YouTube from print to finish and it looks fairly good. Would take me a little bit of time to make the logo without the White background for the decal but it would be worth the time. I'll look into this and try it out. If it's good I could maybe offer my services for other forum users? Building the McLaren MP4-23
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Just had a look, thought that might be the way, using some kinda clear varnish. Try it dude you never know might work a treat.
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Senna Been googling Johnnie Walker logo's and there are plenty on there but the ones for the wing mirrors are not the same.. maybe have to play around with them in Paintshop or Adobe to get them right.. it is doable and I'm no good at Adobe but I might give it a whirl too and see what happens.. at least it will pass the time between issues!! Spencer
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Warthog wrote:Senna
Been googling Johnnie Walker logo's and there are plenty on there but the ones for the wing mirrors are not the same.. maybe have to play around with them in Paintshop or Adobe to get them right.. it is doable and I'm no good at Adobe but I might give it a whirl too and see what happens.. at least it will pass the time between issues!!
Spencer Hi mate, Another echo of my thought! I've got the logos from the mclaren site before they changed it so they are plain black and White. Also used photoshop for ages, so pretty at home with that. Off to Birmingham on the train tomorrow so I'll have a play and post the image tomorrow night. Would anyone be interested in these decals if I was to make them? I wouldn't charge much, just enough to cover materials and p&p. Before I do offer it out I'll test it a good few times to make sure I'm not responsible for any f ups! Building the McLaren MP4-23
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Give them a test dude an I'll have a set defo.
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Yep i'll have a few sets
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And me tbh, we rely could do with em as there not much point doing all this for a unfinished McLAREN rely :/ Mclaren MP4-23 - COMPLETED Red Bull RB7 - COMPLETED Senna MP4-4 - COMPLETED
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