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The lines of the Victory are based on those of the Royal George launched in 1756. Building CostsAt the time of her launching in 1765, cost £63,176. For comparison, this would be equivalent to the cost of building an aircraft carrier today. Dimensions ITEM Length overall - bowsprit to taffrail 226ft 6in 69.0m Length on the lower gun deck 186ft 0in 56.6m Length of the tread of the keel 151ft 3. 5/8in 49.0m Breadth - extreme 51ft 10in 15.7m Depth in hold (includes orlop) 21ft 6in 7.0m Tonnage - Burthen 2,162 GWT - 2196.6 Metric Tonne Tonnage - Displacement 3,500 GWT - 3556.0 Metric Tonne Construction Victory was constructed from approximately 6000 trees, 90% of which was oak. This equates to 100 acres (40 hectares) of woodland. Hull thickness at waterline - approximately 2ft (0.6m) Timber types used for hull - oak, elm, and fir. Timber for masts & yards - fir, pine & spruce. Lignum Vitae - small quantities used for various applications. Masts - With exception to the bowsprit, heights are taken from waterline Bowsprit - (length beyond ships head) 110 ft 33.5m Fore mast 182 ft 55.4m Main mast 205 ft 62.4m Mizzen mast 152 ft 46.3m Main yard 102ft 31.0m Rigging A total of 26 miles (41.9 km) of cordage which was used to rig the ship. 768 blocks, made from elm or ash, were used for the rigging. (A further 628 used for the guns). Many other blocks were carried for the ground tackle, the ship's boats, storing and spares. 216 deadeyes were also used on the standing rigging. Sails Victory could spread a maximum of 37 sails. In addition the ship carried 23 spare sails. Total sail area - 6,510 square yards (5,468.4 square metres) Speed The Victory was one of the fastest first rate ships of the line at her time, and had excellent handling abilities. In general wind conditions and sail configuration she could reach a maximum speed of 8-9 knots (10 miles per hour). Her maximum recorded speed was 10-11 knots, approximately 12 miles per hour. PRO. Adm. 95/37 Copper In March 1780 the bottom of the ship below the waterline was sheathed with 3,923 sheets of copper to protect her hull against the ship worm (teredo navalis). Each copper sheathing plate measured 4 ft x 14 ins (1.22 m x 35.6 cm). Armament at TrafalgarLower Gun Deck 30 x 32 pounder Middle Gun Deck 28 x 24 pounder Upper Gun Deck 30 x 12 pounder (long) Quarter Gun Deck 12 x 12 pounder (short) Forecastle 2 x 12 pounder (medium) 2 x 68 pounder carronad Combined weight of gun and carriage Gun cwt pounds kg 32 long 65.0 7280 3276 24 long 58.0 6496 2923 12 long 40.1 4491 2021 12 medium 37.8 4234 1905 12 short 36.6 4099 1845 Happy Building, Russ On the workbench: My Victory Build Diary - Victory Cross Section Build Diary - Black Pearl Build DiaryUnder the Bench: Millenium Falcon, Black Pearl x 2, Coral Victory Cross Section, De Lorean
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Each copper sheathing sheet had 31 tacks across the top and 10 across each end, and since going on display at Portsmouth, all the copper sheathing has been removed.
Its debateable that the tacks would be visible at the scale of the model.
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I was already dreading the planking and rigging. Now 3,923 mini sheets of copper to fix!!!
John
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I started an earlier discussion about the copper cladding in another topic. One reply was: Lonestar Spirit wrote:I did read somewhere that they may be including the copper cladding for the hull, so lets hope so, but usually I buy thin copper sheets from "The RANGE" I usually do some research on the model I'm building for some details on the style of copper cladding used, then I cut the sheets into thin strips, for the next stage you will need a pin wheel, you can purchase one of these from any good model supplier like The Model dockyard of a Sewing shop, you use this to create a riveted effect on each piece, once your happy with the result you can start building up the layers starting from the keel and work upwards. Here is some information that may help http://www.oldcopper.org...%20victory%20copper.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO9eAnqGg8M
Another reply talked about self-adhesive copper strip used by electricians. Admin has confirmed that the copper cladding is included but not the details. I rather think that 3000+ sheets is not on. However just to wet your appetite: This was one of a series of photos I took when I had the privilege of a close-up view of Trincomalee's copper bottom when she was in dry dock being restored at Hartlepool. I'll leave you to count the sheets! Mike T
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My tongue was very firmly in my cheek!
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I knew that! Just wanted an excuse to publish a picture of my favourite lady! Mike T
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On the lancaster you get sheets of vert thin tin...and you use a tool called a pin wheel to simulate ....the riveting....maybe something similar will happen with the victory...
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Mike Turpin wrote:I knew that! Just wanted an excuse to publish a picture of my favourite lady! Mike T And a looker she is too! Keep meaning to arrange a visit - perhaps this year. John
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John Wreford wrote:Mike Turpin wrote:I knew that! Just wanted an excuse to publish a picture of my favourite lady! Mike T And a looker she is too! Keep meaning to arrange a visit - perhaps this year. John Perhaps we could arrange for all interested from forum to visit on the same day?
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I'd definitely to be interested in a visit
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I think you'll find that if you look at the title of this site and look at the victory video you will see the copper plates and the rivets on the model. Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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Mike Turpin wrote:John Wreford wrote:Mike Turpin wrote:I knew that! Just wanted an excuse to publish a picture of my favourite lady! Mike T And a looker she is too! Keep meaning to arrange a visit - perhaps this year. John Perhaps we could arrange for all interested from forum to visit on the same day? I'd be up for that too!! We could all compare anoraks!!!
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why not have a meet at portsmouth dock one fine sunny day, between issues I suspect.???? Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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Does anyone know how much of the timber the real victory was replaced durung the 1920's ?
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I think that the only original timbers on board her are on the gundeck, all others having been replaced since her days in dry dock. TIS
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RussG wrote:... Building Costs
At the time of her launching in 1765, cost £63,176. For comparison, this would be equivalent to the cost of building an aircraft carrier today. ... But was she 3-4 times overbudget, 10 years late and then probably canceled just prior to launch? If so she might be the equivalent of a Modern RN aircraft carrier. Cheers Stuntie.
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Like the idea of a trip to Portsmouth. If theres enough interest the dockyard may give us a private tour???
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sounds like a good plan!!
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See #7 in Trafalgar as it happenedDo you think we should organise a trip to Hartlepool for those who are too far from Portsmouth? Mike T
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I'm movin' to Waterlooville near Portsmouth next week. Guess wot I'm gonna do when I've sorted me chattels?
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