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A question for The Holy One or those in the know.  The ropes from the gun tackle, should they be secured to a ring on the deck close to the grattings?. It seems they are just loose after rigging the guns  . Any suggestions would be gratfully received. Thanks all, Glen  Roger the Cabin Boy
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If you look on page 6 of issue 48, there you'll see a diagram of how the guns are rigged in real life, the excess tackle rope is either left loose or coiled
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If you google for 12pdr gun tackle you will come up with this link Google BooksIt provides a number of pages from Milton Roth's excellent book 'Ship Modelling from Stem to Stern'. Another book to be highly recommended. A gun was controlled by three sets of tackle. Two 'training tackles', one each side of the carriage and the preventer tackle which was between an eyebolt to the rear of the carriage and a eyebolt fixed to the deck behind the carriage. All three tackles were fitted with hooks so they could be removed for storage. The side tackles would often be left hooked on the gun and the preventer tackle laid across the gun barrel ready to be hooked on when going into action.  In the above photo taken on board HMS Trincomalee, you can see the side tackle in place and the loose end flaked down into a flat coil on the deck. The preventer tackle has been hooked across two ring bolts on the gun carriage so that it is ready but out of the way. Hope this helps Mike T
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Thanks for the info and photo Mike MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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MIKE is there not a superstition in the navy about coiling a rope against the sun and all ropes are coiled clockwise or is it just fishermans superstition the one in the photo is coiled antieclock
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Thanks for the info and photo's. I can see it all now, some of it Roger the Cabin Boy
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Not forgetting said drawing Tomick attached the following image(s):
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Just one more thing, in the RN you don't coil a rope down you cheese it. Glen  Roger the Cabin Boy
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willie wrote:MIKE is there not a superstition in the navy about coiling a rope against the sun and all ropes are coiled clockwise or is it just fishermans superstition the one in the photo is coiled antieclock I've not heard that one Willie. Want counts as the coiling direction? If you start on the outside it coils in towards the centre in a clockwise direction, if you start at the centre, it coils out anticlockwise? I don't know the answer perhaps somebody else might. The difference between Tomick's picture and the Trincomalee one is that in the magazine the tackle is laid out ready for Action Stations, my photograph shows the cannon as it would be when not in use and not lashed up for bad weather. Mike T
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Which answers his original question about gun rigging deck rings close to the gratings
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Tomick wrote:Not forgetting said drawing Having drawn attention to the diagram, has anybody else noticed the deliberate(??) mistake? The tackle going from the gun to the ring bolt was more commonly known as the preventer tackle. Train tackles were either side of the carriage. The train tackles were for running out the gun after it had fired and had been re-loaded. The preventer tackle was to stop the gun running forward when it was being reloaded on a sloping deck. Mike T
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