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Have finaly finished one side in venear. After taking all the advice on board and checking other posts i went ahead with double planking to try and get a better result. However, it still did not turn out right but hey its forst time so will let you lot decide, if you make any comments that is. All coments are welcome. Foz
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Oh to have that much completed
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Looking a real corker!!! Current Builds: Deagostini HMS Victory: Deagostini HMS Sovereign of the seas. Completed Builds: Del Prado: HMAS Bounty: Hachette: RMS Titanic: Del Prado: Cutty Sark...
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Nice one! Well done, I like it alot
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Very ice job!! MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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I only could wish that my build would look as fantastic as your build. Looking GOOD!!!!
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Looking good. We are following your progress with greta interest Rgds, Hans "It's okay to make mistakes. mistakes are our teachers - they help us to to learn, even if it is painfully" Current Build: Endeavour Cross section,D51 Completed: HMS Victory Under the bench: Endeavour x 2,Sovereign of the Seas, Akagi and The Black Pearl!HMS Victory Cross Section
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Thanks for all the great comments, its really appreciated. Cant wait now till i get back home some time on friday to get back to it.
Thinking of putting the other builds on hold now and just concentrate oh the Vic, but ill see.
Once again
Thanks
Foz
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Well at long long last i have finaly finished the second planking and can carry on with the build. The planking did not go to plan but for my forst build i am pleased with how it is turning out. So now on to part 40. Thnaks for all the help and comments guys. Foz
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cool. Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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Great attempt for a first build, though unsure if your aware it look's like you've got a twist crept in.
Have a good look at the 2nd front to back photo and the lie of the stern frame compared with the lie of bulkhead planking; the stern frame appears to fall towards the left, giving the impression of the deck at the stern on the right side being higher than the left side.
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Mr T.
Thanks for that i had not noticed. Perhaps thats why when i try the false decks on the gallry part in issue 40 that dont touch. So any one got any ideas aprt from scraping it and starting again.
Any help is much appreciated.
Foz
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foz,sorry to see the twist,have to agree with the o holy one on this,how do you feel about it, this is what I'd do,order up some wood 5x2's,spray water over the entire planking inside and out several times,it should come apart quite easily,starting with the decks,then the planking,keep spraying as you go,and strip down to the framework.you will need a jig and then straighten out by spraying the frame joints,a lot of work i know,or just carry on and show from side only,I feel for you,it has happened to me but not so late on into the build, Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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Hi Karl.
At this moment in time it feels C**P as i have put a lot of work in to it. I think if i strip everthing down i may not have the heart to go on with it and then its a lot of money and time wasted.
As i have allready decided on how the builds are going to be diplayed, only one side will be seen so any one that comes to my place will not know how badley i messed up.
So will make the most now of a bad start.
Foz
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I wouldn't go as far as scrapping, but it's going to be a headache to sort, but it must be sorted if the gallery is to sit square, the worrying thing is that the deck also rises at the right-hand side which suggests the problem could be deep seated.
You first need to get the model sat square and look at the problem from all angles before doing anything, then explore as to what the cause might be, and establish how much the stern frame needs to be brought back into alignment
It could be as simple as adding/removing material on the frame ledge, or it could be a major chop job.
The ledge of the frame needs to be level and square with the ship, just how far out it is can be checked using the lower deck of the gallery, also check that the height of the gallery panels do sit too low/high, you can then start looking at adding/removing material from the edge of the frame to get its edge level and square with the ship.
That said, I suspect the twist problem is likely deep seated, possibly having planked onto a twisted frame; and therefore as Karl says, the safest route may be to strip back to a point where it can be resolved at source; failing that a tinkering fix such as that described above which will need to be carefully performed; but regardless of how you wish to display your model, the problem needs to be put right or at least improved, otherwise your going to have major fit problems with the gallery panels.
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Thanks for the comments guys.
After having a good look at the build, it looks to me as the last 2 frames are the problem.
As money is short i can not afford to strip the planking and start again so what you think of this idea.
If on the last few frames and the stern are i build one side up up should make things square when i add the gallery and also the planking of the decks.
And once again thanks for your help.
Foz
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give it a go foz,and I know you can sort it,if you were nearer I would help you out,but best of luck,and please don't give up,If it helps I can send you some wood,just let me know what you need. I'm sure some of the lads here would chip in with a few sticks. Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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last few frames i've got spare ribs for the Vic if required if i knew the number of the ribs required i can check to see if i can help might as well give them to someone who needs them rather than them sitting in my shed for eternity or being turned into sanding blocks Taking a step back your planking looks good to me is the problem the indent can that be filled even then plank again over it with veneer evenly doing 1 plank port 1 plank stbd at less than a mill thicker shouldn't put the rest of the build out just a thought
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Hi Foz! Sorry to find out about the problem at the stern, it took me some time looking on the big screen I think I know what's happened, if I'm right I might be able to help you mate!. I need a little time to work out if there is away to correct the problem without taking it all apart. You will need to remove the back of the deck but not yet.
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