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Hi Foz! I’ve look at the other posts in you diary before you started to plank, I could be wrong but I think that rib 30 wasn't pushed all the way down into it slot and the rib got pushed over a little as well. If this is the case and the hull has only a slight twist in it, as you have faired the hull to shape it will be the deck beam brackets and ribs 30 that will need to be adjusted. If you can remove the back of the deck, cut away the deck bracket that are to high and then regluing them in the correct place to straighten the deck. Then repeat for rib 30 remove the brackets and mark how much you need to move them down on to the stepped area of the rib 30 redraw the new line for the stepped area across the rib so that the gallery decks will fit and cut down to the new height. Carefully cut across the rib to reform the stepped area. Remove the rib brackets on rib 30 and regluing them in the correct positions so they are in line with the other deck beam brackets. The other ribs aft of rib 30 are Ok! So by correcting rib 30 the gallery should fit. If Tomick reads this post I would like him to comment before you do anything Mate! so take a break for now. It would be a shame to start all over again! if it can be fixed. It is major work and I would like other to comment first, look at all the options then it will be up to you what you do to correct the problem. I only hope you can get it sorted Mate!
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Hiya Foz mate, I'm so sorry to hear your having a build issue, it's very frustrating, especially on your first build, but dont loose hope, there is always a solution. I started building the Vic on release, but stopped when I was treated to the Jotika Version, so I have a hull semi planked here if you want it for free, I can send some of the remaining planks along with it, but you would have to source the rest of the good guys here, if interested, just send me a message and I will pop it in the post for you. All the best David PS It was used in the following build log, so it's semi famous lol http://forum.model-space....aspx?g=posts&t=1329Ship Builds on the go
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It's certainly looking like being a major chop job, which for a first time builder isn't going to be easy to pull off, but with careful thought and a steady hand I don't think all is lost; but like I said it is something that must be sorted if things are not going to get worse, with such as major gallery panel fit problems lying in wait.
The first hint of the problem seems to be in the photo at post #53, where if you look at the right-hand deck support it appears to be higher than the one at the opposite side, which can only result in frame panel between sloping, which in turn creates a low and high end for the gallery deck to sit on where the rest follow's suit; this is also the reason why the deck rises at the opposite side which show's up on the upper side. It would also be a good idea to check the frames close by just the be sure these are correctly seated.
Like Darron says, its now a major task which sounds very much on the lines as mentioned, which could go horribly wrong if you don't get it right. The offer of Lonestar's hull sounds like being an immediate route out of your nightmare, but its likely your going to need additional items to get the hull to the stage you are currently at, but at least you won't have a horrendous chop job to undertake and David's hull will likely have been built to a very high standard.
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Hi Mate, This might be a stupid idea, or it may not. But I thought I would throw it out there. I had a similar problem and I noticed it after about a dozen or so layers of planking. So what I did was dampen the whole thing, and turn the hull upside down, and lay it on a flat surface. Then I balanced lots and lots of heavy objects on it. And I mean heavy, there must have been getting on for about 10lbs of weight there. Then I left it for a couple of days to set. It worked very well. It might be worth a try. I appreciate that it might mean small gaps opening up here and there. But it could save you the trouble of a complete rebuild. Which would be hellish indeed.
Might be worth thinking sbout.
Good luck.
Jim
NB: I have a few packs of planking you can have if need be.
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Lads i would like to thank you all for the help, espcilly David and Karl for there very kind offers.
I have had a good look at the build and do think, like Darren that it is just the last rib that is out so am going to have a look at what Darron sugested and ammening the rib.
If all goes wrong then it does but i am going to have a good go at rectifing a silly mistake.
Once again lads. THNAKS
Foz
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Ok after looking at the official build at issues 45/46 i see the planking just lies on the top of the fales deck of the gallery. My rear frame is about 2-3 mm to high for this to happen so im hopeing what i am now doing will sort the problem out. FINGERS CROSSED and will let you know how i get on.
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Blimey you don't hang about Can you provide a photo looking square on at the stern which should indicate if its twisted.
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Fozy, you seem to be on top of things there but I only live up the road from you, and if I can be of any help (some materials etc)you only have to say and I will be there. MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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Cheers MWG. Ill keep you in mind but i dont think ill be home for another 2 weeks again after i go back tomorrow. Any Mr T heres the pic you asked for.
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I'm afraid the hull is looking twisted, the best you can hope for is to square the gallery as per how you are doing.
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a suggestion here,I would cut down the planks at rib 5 all the way down to the keel and at rib 26,then see if you can get the twist out,you will then see how many planks have to be replaced in the centre,leaving the bow and stern intact,so any planks that have to be replaced will be straight.let me know how you get on. Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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Just an update! Seeing as you don't require my hull, I have offered it to another member of this community if that's ok? All the best Dave Ship Builds on the go
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Hi Foz I feel your pain brother. I do thank you though so that I know what tp look out for. As last pic looks like your on the right track. Holding thumbs for you and will be watching your progess with keen interest Rgds, Hans "It's okay to make mistakes. mistakes are our teachers - they help us to to learn, even if it is painfully" Current Build: Endeavour Cross section,D51 Completed: HMS Victory Under the bench: Endeavour x 2,Sovereign of the Seas, Akagi and The Black Pearl!HMS Victory Cross Section
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Dave.
Thank you very much for the offer but i am going to do the best with what i have. I am really gretfull for the offer and never expected any response like that at all.
Thanks also to every one else that has offered help and support, its been wuite remarkable to see people i only know by a name on here are willi ng to offer parts when they do not really know you.
Anyway. Was thiking last night about the problem and have decided to finish it the best i can, paint it and have sails on. I would also like to buy another version in the future and leave it as just varnished wood with no sails as i am learning so much from this build and the others i am doing, but most of all learning more from all of your hints, tips and advice.
Looking forward to getting home again to carry on with the build but that could be a couple of weeks away. So happy building lads and ill keep looking in each night after work and THANK YOU ALL AGAIN.
Regards
Foz
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Well. After thinking i was not going to get home for another week, i did, and now have a week off to continue the build effort. I think i managed to sort of sort out the twist in the stern area so continued and added the gallery. Start adding the wales next i think. Well thats it for now. Hopwfully more tomorrow. Foz
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WEll done Fozy MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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Great stuff mate. I'm glad you've sorted it out
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Well done Foz...glad that you got sorted out in the end..bet you are relieved mate..looking good, still on the wails myself, hope to get a start on the top wales today?? Keep the pics coming... Current Builds: Deagostini HMS Victory: Deagostini HMS Sovereign of the seas. Completed Builds: Del Prado: HMAS Bounty: Hachette: RMS Titanic: Del Prado: Cutty Sark...
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Thanks for the good comments lads. The stern is not perfect but a lot better than it would have looked. have started on the wales today but not sure if it is in the correct place. So have only put the middle one on for now for comments to see if it looks right as something dont just quite feel right about it.
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