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hi Alan here is a pic, i have added the brace in an attempt to fix cheers, oh yes its pva pfcdre attached the following image(s):
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Let see how it is after everything has dried and the clamps have been removed. At that point I'd like to see a few pics taken from different positions so I can get an all round view of the problem area. Especially want one viewed directly from the top.....
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Alan
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hi Alan i removed the clamp as i was not confident it was going to fix the issue and i would have had more pva to deal with. So i used the hotwiter trick on a spare build i bought 2nd hand and managed to get the bow rib off. i then got my model and although it took alot more effort and patience i got the rib off that one too.After some sanding and test fitting i managed to re-attach the bow and it is now drying overnight. i will post some pics tomorrow [monday] for you to check, but as it is now the very top of the rib maybe just slightly off but because its flexible i think i can line that up when planking. i think crisis maybe averted. many thanks Andre
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Hi here is some pics after changing out the bow rib hope this helps thanks pfcdre attached the following image(s):
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pfcdre wrote:hi Alan i removed the clamp as i was not confident it was going to fix the issue and i would have had more pva to deal with. So i used the hotwiter trick on a spare build i bought 2nd hand and managed to get the bow rib off. i then got my model and although it took alot more effort and patience i got the rib off that one too.After some sanding and test fitting i managed to re-attach the bow and it is now drying overnight. i will post some pics tomorrow [monday] for you to check, but as it is now the very top of the rib maybe just slightly off but because its flexible i think i can line that up when planking. i think crisis maybe averted. many thanks Andre That's great to hear, so pleased you've got it sorted out and can now move forward with your build.... Double check the last stern frame 30 to ensure it is fully seated in its slot. This frame has caught a lot of builders out only to find they have problems later on when fitting the gallery... Look forward to seeing your build progress.... Regards Alan
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hi Alan do you think from pics that the bow looks ok now? As for rib 30 its fully seated but is there a measurement i can use to know for certain? the rib on 30 sit slightly higher than on 29 by a few mm, is there a deck to transom height?
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here is a pic pfcdre attached the following image(s):
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pfcdre wrote:hi Alan do you think from pics that the bow looks ok now? As for rib 30 its fully seated but is there a measurement i can use to know for certain? the rib on 30 sit slightly higher than on 29 by a few mm, is there a deck to transom height? Everything looks good from what I can see so well done on the fix... As for rib 30, there isn't a measurement as such. It is a frame that can easily move out of position until the glue sets so the main thing is to make sure it is fully seated in its slot until everything is set, do not alter the slots themselves. Take a look at Issue 18 of the Official Build (link below). It clearly shows how everything should look at the stern. When you get to this stage, post up a pic looking straight onto the stern so I can see if everything is positioned as it should be.... https://forum.model-spac....aspx?g=posts&t=814
You can also lay a plank along the next set of deck supports on the frames, there should be a nice transition from one frame to the next... Regards Alan
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Hi Alan thanks for the help i have taken some pics of the stern from angles, comparing the pics to your link on build diary i think to my untrained eye it looks ok but if you could check for me that would be great thanks. pfcdre attached the following image(s):
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Hi, looking at your pics it is difficult for me to be certain but it does look as though your frame 30 may be set a little too high, ie, it is not fully into its slot. You can check to be sure by placing a planking strip onto the deck supports of the frames as shown by the red lines in the attached pic.... Let me know what you find on your check.... Regards Alan Gandale attached the following image(s):
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ah oh dear mine has a definate upward slope when laying a plank across the supports as shown in your pic.so im guessing i need to get the hotwiter out again lol, i assume the plank should lay flat across the supports including rib 30? thanks for pointing this out Alan, hopefully i can disassemble any tips welcome. cheers
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pfcdre wrote:ah oh dear mine has a definate upward slope when laying a plank across the supports as shown in your pic.so im guessing i need to get the hotwiter out again lol, i assume the plank should lay flat across the supports including rib 30? thanks for pointing this out Alan, hopefully i can disassemble any tips welcome. cheers If your rib 30 is high then it is best to get this sorted now rather than find it out when you come to fitting the gallery. It is something that has caught a lot of builders out only to find it harder to fix later on. Concentrate on removing the rib first using the hot water method, clean up and then we'll take it from there..... Biggest tip I can give is to keep a build diary going with regular updates, it makes it easier for members like me to see errors before they become major problems... Regards Alan
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well im so glad you spotted it at this stage as i was just beginning fairing! i will do the hot water method in the morning and see if i can fix it. im quite disappointed with myself for not seeing it when fitting, i will try to make regular updates as a build diary from now on, to be honest i was a little shy of showing my efforts as my skills are not up to the guys on here, but the benefits out weigh the embarrassment thanks for the assist its much appreciated
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pfcdre wrote:well im so glad you spotted it at this stage as i was just beginning fairing! i will do the hot water method in the morning and see if i can fix it. im quite disappointed with myself for not seeing it when fitting, i will try to make regular updates as a build diary from now on, to be honest i was a little shy of showing my efforts as my skills are not up to the guys on here, but the benefits out weigh the embarrassment thanks for the assist its much appreciated Happy to be of help and I wouldn't shy away for showing your work, from what I see I would say you're doing a really nice job. Shouldn't under estimate the benefits of keeping a build diary either as the members on this forum are not here to ridicule or negatively criticise, quite the opposite in fact. Members are only too willing to assist in sharing their knowledge and experience with the aim of ensuring you end up with a successful build you can be proud of. Enjoy the experience, its a journey not a race and I'm sure the end result will amaze you... You should create and maintain your build diary here: https://forum.model-spac....aspx?g=topics&f=21
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hi Alan, thanks for the encouragement, i removed rib 30 this morning but i failed to keep the part in one piece, so i used the part from the 2nd hand build i got, which has proved useful for the odd rib etc, but this part the fairing process had been started, i dont think too much has been removed but i would really like your input. please see photos below many thanks. pfcdre attached the following image(s):
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Ok, now that the problems with the bow and frame 30 have been solved its time to move on, everything is now looking much better. As for fairing the hull, this is a process I think you need to do some research on first. Get this right and the process of planking the hull will go a lot smoother. First thing I would suggest is to study this topic: https://forum.model-spac...spx?g=posts&t=19140
It gives an excellent insight on the principles of fairing, what you need to be looking for and how to check on your progress. Study the build instructions carefully, take your time with it and work on the hull in a slow methodical manner starting with the bow then working along the hull to the stern. Also study the same build stages on the Official Build diary, that contains some excellent pics on what you are trying to achieve. Time spent researching how to fair a hull will be time well spent. Regards Alan
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sorry to keep posting with my problems guys, but im just looking for some advice regarding a potential problem with rib 15. i am at the fairing stage and i noticed that rib 15 is bulging out the side more noticeably on the port side than the starboard side, the top of the rib sits level with the surrounding ribs so i guess its sitting correctly, also when fairing and deck tabs are protruding past ribs i assume these are sanded back level with ribs? i was on the understanding that ribs are only profiled to allow planks to sit flush and not sanded back but 15 does not seem right to me! pfcdre attached the following image(s):
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Use a planking strip across the frames to constantly check the flow of the hull, ensuring the strip lies flat against each frame across the frame’s entire width. You are aiming for a smooth flow along the hull, ensuring you remove and bulges or dips. Where the frames cause a bulge you need to sand down and where the frames cause a dip then you need to add material to the frame and shown in the instructions.
Frame 15 will need to be sanded down until it fits with the flow of the hull. The edges of the decks protruding beyond the frames can also be sanded down to the same level as the frames and doing this will also give you a good visual insight as to how the flow of planks along your hull will look. Do not sand a frame down to match the edge of the decks unless the offending frame is causing a bulge to appear along your hull…
Hope this helps.
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Alan
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Gandale wrote:Use a planking strip across the frames to constantly check the flow of the hull, ensuring the strip lies flat against each frame across the frame’s entire width. You are aiming for a smooth flow along the hull, ensuring you remove and bulges or dips. Where the frames cause a bulge you need to sand down and where the frames cause a dip then you need to add material to the frame and shown in the instructions.
Frame 15 will need to be sanded down until it fits with the flow of the hull. The edges of the decks protruding beyond the frames can also be sanded down to the same level as the frames and doing this will also give you a good visual insight as to how the flow of planks along your hull will look. Do not sand a frame down to match the edge of the decks unless the offending frame is causing a bulge to appear along your hull…
Hope this helps.
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Alan
Thats great Alan thanks, i didnt want to touch rib 15 till i had some feedback even though i was sorely tempted lol,i think the fairing is coming along quite nicely, i have been checking constantly with a plank. i did notice on the official build that rib 15 looked to have been sanded quite heavily, the bow does not seem to need too much but the stern wow. Many thanks
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morning gents,hopefully this is a fairly simple problem, but i think i have made a mistake with the gallery planking and would like some advice please, after watching a you tube video i have sanded the gallery planks flush but i am now thinking thats a mistake as its making fitting the first set of port and starb planks difficult to fit pics below.thanks Andre. pfcdre attached the following image(s):
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