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I am going to attempt to do an enhancement to my build by putting in the carved side panels to both entrances,in order to do this I needed graphics and photos of the area,fortunatly JASE has produced these and has given me permission to reproduce these on this forum for the purpose of this "mod"(JASE HOLDS THE COPYRIGHT TO THESE PHOTOS AND GRAPHICS PLEASE DO NOT REPRODUCE WITHOUT HIS PERMISSION) First off here are the photos and graphics, the mod will follow :- MWG attached the following image(s): MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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  So this is the area we are talking about, next is what I hope to achieve:- THANK YOU JASE  MWG attached the following image(s): MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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Hi everyone before I continue with this enhancement, a note to all newbies, "THIS IS NOT IN THE INSTRUCTIONS, AND IS NOT A PART OF THE De Ag BUILD" It is a" Mod" that I wish to do on my build for my satisfaction, if any one would like to use this enhancement on their build then please go ahead.  First off, I have fine sanded the area I will be working on ;- MWG attached the following image(s): MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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Next job is to prepare wood for a lintel, I want to get the shape (as per the drawing) of the top of the door, so I want to make it thicker in order to file it into shape. I have chosen dark wood as I will be able to get a good colour match to the original photo, the wood I have used is enough for 3 lintels (in case I make a mistake)  MWG attached the following image(s): MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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The final job for this session (While the glue hardens in the lintel) is to choose the wood for the actual side panels and step,as you can see this is a slow process but doing enhancements always is, and as I always say MODELLING IS A JOURNEY NOT A DESTINATION just always take your time, any comments gratefully received here is the side panel wood - MWG attached the following image(s): MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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watching with interest to see where this goes..go for it!
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Same here Collin. Keep us well informed MWG cant wait to see how this turns out.
Regards
Foz
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Thanks for the encouragement Colin, I hope I can pull it off,it is something I have wanted to do since I saw Jas`s drawings, it will get my best shot MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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Do what you can mate, I'd like to have a go at this as well so for me I'll be interested in how your going about it, and I'm sure all the other guys here will be just as interested.
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Good luck matey cant wait to see finished outcome. I am trying the same approach with the cabins at the moment. if it works I do a master class if it doesn't... forget you ever read this “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
-Mark Twain
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Colin, Jase nothing like putting a guy under pressure to get something done. (Pressure what pressure ) But thanks for your help, If during the enhancement you can see a way to improve the job, feel free thats how we all learn MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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I'm also watching with interest. Are you planning to file/carve the decoration into the wood? An alternative approach might be to create the basic shape in wood and then use 'Green Stuff' to model the decoration. Capt Stedders, who unfortunately doesn't seem to be contributing at the moment, was the 'Green Stuff' artist. 'Green Stuff' is a two-part modelling resin. You mix together the blue and yellow components to get a green mixture which can be rolled out into thin strings which can be shaped and then left to harden. Recently I made a George III cypher to go on the barrel of a 12pdr gun model that I am making, using a sample of 'Green Stuff' which Stedders had sent me. With some practice, it was relatively easy to create the shape that I wanted  First attempt  Final result stuck to barrel and painted. Not perfect but OK for a first effort. As I said Stedders is the expert and if you search on 'Green Stuff' or Stedders, there will be some of his examples. He also did some good articles on the subject of model painting. Mike T
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Hi Mike, I purchased one of Stedders "GR" stamps and he sent it with a quantity of green stuff, your insigniers look great on the gun great job To be honest I was not planning to do the crest at the top of the door just the framework and the side panels, I did not think that crest was around in 1805 (correct me if I am wrong) so I was leaving it off. But-------- ? MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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Hi Again I was wondering where you got your information from, regarding the crest over the entry port? I know how much controversy the Entry Ports can generate!!??!!  This is an interesting link Restoring VictoryIan G Brennan was invited to carve the new starboard Entry Port Canopy in 1990/91 and the assumption was that the Entry Port was the original from the 1765 build and had been covered in successive layers of black paint, however the oak was rotting underneath. Ian carried out the new carving based on the old timbers with the paint removed and he included the crest. Regarding the Green Stuff, I was thinking that would bring out the carvings on the side brackets as well as using it for the crest. At least we both have a sample from the same source!! Mike T
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Before you go dashing off to make the entry port canopy, these are supplied as castings (roof & sides), which are painted and installed at 74, (no crest beneath the roof top). If you want an extra touch of detail to the canopy roof top, instead of painting it dull grey to simulate lead sheet, the roof top can be clad with lead foil to simulate how it acttually is. Some wine bottle's have lead foil caps which can be utilised
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Mike thank you for this information, based on this, and I know that your knowledge of navel history is vast, I will attempt the project with the crest added,   I am sure the canopy will come with De Ag`s parts,  mutter mutter "what have I let myself in for" chunter chunter  MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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You have let yourself in for a bit of 'kit bashing' which Zeptrader will probably agree with, however Tomick's post is food for thought!
I shall follow your progress with continued interest!
Mike T
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Just make the items but dont glue on, then compare or adapt when the parts are released in the magazine, you cant loose.
Its so small that just making a trial one is not gonna use that much wood.
Stick it on with a little blutack stand back and admire, try various different ways of doing it, learn from your first attempt, you will be surprised how it comes out.
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Firstly, thanks Mr `T for that brillient idea which I will adopt ( as usual we can rely on you to come up trumps)I am not doing a mod of the canopy, I thought De Ag would provide that. Could you tell me what is the dimension of the space between the frame and the canopy, that is available to me for the crest please Mr `T Thank you. "wheres that wine bottle" oh no its a screw cap keep drinking!!!!!!!!!!! MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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Thanks Colin for those few words, its good advice, ah well ITS ON THEN MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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