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Any information on how the bluetooth features work as there is no mention of it whatsoever in the online user guide. Building: Ghostbusters Ecto-1, Ford GT40, Gone in 60 seconds Eleanor mustang, Shelby Cobra Complete: R2D2, Red Bull RB7 RC, Battleship Bismarck, Shelby GT500 'super snake'
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semaj wrote:Any information on how the bluetooth features work as there is no mention of it whatsoever in the online user guide. The WiFi direct mode has replaced Bluetooth as it could handle video better due to the volumes of data being transferred.
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Just Googled about WiFi direct and found this information. "Wi-Fi Direct is Wi-Fi without the internet bit. The idea behind Wi-Fi Direct is that simple tasks need simple connections. ... None of these things require an active internet connection, or an internet connection at all, but they do need to connect - to the printer, or to the other person's hardware, or to the TV." Hope this clears things up, I was worried about not being able to use him outside the home but if the above is true that is great. Darren
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This isn't really a problem for anyone.
Anyone with a device that could have connected to R2 on bluetooth, can connect to him over WiFi. WiFi Direct ensures that even if you don't have a wireless network involved, you can still connect. It'll be faster than bluetooth would have been, and with a better range. No device that has bluetooth, does not have WiFi as well.
So in terms of what's been lost here, it's really very minimal indeed. I can't think of any practical difference this would cause.
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Local Wi-Fi mode is where your R2-D2 connects to your home broadband network. Your phone/tablet is also connected to the same network and you control the R2 unit via the use of the app.
Direct Wi-Fi mode is where R2-D2 connects direct to your mobile device via its own internal Wi-Fi router (similar to Bluetooth) and negates the need to connect to your home network. The internal router is identified as 'R2-D2-Router' and can be seen when searching for WI-Fi connections on your device via the app. R2 is then controlled via the app on your device.
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whats the difference though between the 2 connections? why not just connect one way and have done with it, why does it need 2 types? does one work better than the other? does one offer more features over the other? im a bit confused as to why there is 2 different wi fi connections available Building: Ghostbusters Ecto-1, Ford GT40, Gone in 60 seconds Eleanor mustang, Shelby Cobra Complete: R2D2, Red Bull RB7 RC, Battleship Bismarck, Shelby GT500 'super snake'
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semaj wrote:whats the difference though between the 2 connections? why not just connect one way and have done with it, why does it need 2 types? does one work better than the other? does one offer more features over the other? im a bit confused as to why there is 2 different wi fi connections available With direct Wi-Fi you wouldn't be restricted to the home environment when operating R2... You could control R2 anywhere providing you were in range of R2 with your mobile device. Outside as an example, similar to connecting your phone to your car via bluetooth. Superior to Bluetooth which is good especially when streaming video.. That's my understanding. Regards Alan
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Ok. So would that mean that if r2 is connected to local wi fi you could be anywhere and he will operate? Or do you have to be on the network with it? If so then what is the point in that? May as well not bother and just connect direct Building: Ghostbusters Ecto-1, Ford GT40, Gone in 60 seconds Eleanor mustang, Shelby Cobra Complete: R2D2, Red Bull RB7 RC, Battleship Bismarck, Shelby GT500 'super snake'
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semaj wrote:Ok. So would that mean that if r2 is connected to local wi fi you could be anywhere and he will operate? Or do you have to be on the network with it? If so then what is the point in that? May as well not bother and just connect direct Failure of a home network would still mean you could operate R2 via direct Wi-Fi. It is simply a choice of how to connect to R2. Nothing stopping you from connecting via Direct Wi-Fi and keeping to that, same can be said about connecting to local Wi-Fi. Choice is yours. Regards Alan
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Ah right ok, so generally there isnt any difference then. It just made me think along the lines of my hive thermostat i had fitted earlier in the year. That is connected to my router, and i can control my heating from anywhere i want - down the pub, at work, whilst shopping etc, so it had me wondering if the local wi fi connection allowed the same thing with r2, if that is connected to my router, the app logs on over the cellular network to the r2 on my broadband. Then i could remotely patrol my house. That would have been super cool. Also, going back to the bluetooth, im beginning to understand why the decision was made not to use it to control the droid, but wouldn't it have been a great idea if it was kept and we could say stream music to r2 to play out of the speaker (such as the star wars theme) whilst driving him around? Feel you missed a trick with that one as it wouldnt have taken any extra hardware, just programming on the orange pi... Building: Ghostbusters Ecto-1, Ford GT40, Gone in 60 seconds Eleanor mustang, Shelby Cobra Complete: R2D2, Red Bull RB7 RC, Battleship Bismarck, Shelby GT500 'super snake'
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Apologies, I clicked on edit instead of reply which is why you see 'edited by moderator' on your post... getting late....
From what I see, your R2 unit and mobile device have to be connected to your home network for you to control R2 via the app. The range of a home network is larger so you could have R2 downstairs and control him via your mobile device upstairs.
Once you get R2 up and running you can carry out some tests on both connection types to determine the range each will give you... just a thought...
R2 playing music is not something R2 does in real life......
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Gandale wrote:Apologies, I clicked on edit instead of reply which is why you see 'edited by moderator' on your post... getting late....
From what I see, your R2 unit and mobile device have to be connected to your home network for you to control R2 via the app. The range of a home network is larger so you could have R2 downstairs and control him via your mobile device upstairs.
Once you get R2 up and running you can carry out some tests on both connection types to determine the range each will give you... just a thought...
R2 playing music is not something R2 does in real life......
Regards
Alan
No worries. I cant wait to start playing with my droid when my final 3 issues get delivered. Getting itchy feet lol. They were just thoughts thats all. Building: Ghostbusters Ecto-1, Ford GT40, Gone in 60 seconds Eleanor mustang, Shelby Cobra Complete: R2D2, Red Bull RB7 RC, Battleship Bismarck, Shelby GT500 'super snake'
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IanW wrote:
Anyone with a device that could have connected to R2 on bluetooth, can connect to him over WiFi. WiFi Direct ensures that even if you don't have a wireless network involved, you can still connect. It'll be faster than bluetooth would have been, and with a better range. No device that has bluetooth, does not have WiFi as well.
So in terms of what's been lost here, it's really very minimal indeed. I can't think of any practical difference this would cause.
That's a bit of a generalisation. Part of my previous job role involved buying in mobile devices and there were certainly ones out there that might have been able to support the required version of android and had Bluetooth and no wifi, though to be fair most that I saw had relatively small screen, so might not have been suitable. The issue I have though, is that I've looked up wifi direct and it says dual support of network wifi/ hot spots and wifi direct is an optional feature. I need to have my wifi on my phone for much of the time as my phone becomes my home wifi and other devices tether to it. With Bluetooth, this is not a problem, but I'm beginning to get worried that it might be with wifi direct. I have a pop up office/mobile broadband device, but that is for work and even then, I sometimes go over the data allowance. So I'm getting concerned that if wifi direct and normal wifi cant be used a the same time, then I wouldn't be able to use the app unless I increased the data allowance on my mobile broadband or bought a device specifically to control r2. To me that's a step too far. I appreciate that my circumstances might be very specific and for many people it wont be an issue other than having to mess around with wifi settings whenever they want to use the app, but I don't see why I should have to purchase another device simply because Deagonstini changed the specs (seemingly some time ago) and couldn't be bothered to tell anyone, still taking everyones £40 per month and letting them find out by someone noticing its absence from the user guide after the final issue had been published.
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Restalla wrote:IanW wrote:Anyone with a device that could have connected to R2 on bluetooth, can connect to him over WiFi That's a bit of a generalisation. Part of my previous job role involved buying in mobile devices and there were certainly ones out there that might have been able to support the required version of android and had Bluetooth and no wifi, though to be fair most that I saw had relatively small screen, so might not have been suitable. Sure, there may be some weird Android models that have bluetooth and not wifi, but if they run the relevant compatible version of the OS and they satisfy the other requirements for the app, they definitely have wifi as well, is my point. Quote:The issue I have though, is that I've looked up wifi direct and it says dual support of network wifi/ hot spots and wifi direct is an optional feature. Part of the problem here is that "WiFi Direct" is a specific term that means something specific, as you've found, but what DeAgostini are referring to is being called that as a description; they're only talking about the ability to make a peer-to-peer wifi connection between a phone and R2. Quote:I need to have my wifi on my phone for much of the time as my phone becomes my home wifi and other devices tether to it. None of what you've described is a problem for R2. Because your phone is acting as a wifi router, you can just set up R2 to connect to the wifi it's putting out in Local WiFi mode. R2's modes are made to suit the two methods of WiFi that people have set up: 1) Local WiFi is where a user has an existing WiFi network that their devices attach to. In this case, R2 can also attach to the existing network, and any device on that network can run the app and communicate with R2. 2) WiFi Direct is where a user wants to connect the device that can run the app, directly to R2. No other connections to R2 are allowed, and the device that runs the app won't be able to connect to a second WiFi network at the same time it's talking to R2 (of course, if it's a phone, it could still be connected to 4G or whatever phone line you have). The first is great if you have a home network set up and just want to plug R2 into it without having to change your phone settings every time you want to run the app, and the second is best if you don't have a wifi network where you want to run R2 (like on the street) or you just want a connection that doesn't interfere with anything else.
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None of what you've described is a problem for R2. Because your phone is acting as a wifi router, you can just set up R2 to connect to the wifi it's putting out in Local WiFi mode.
R2's modes are made to suit the two methods of WiFi that people have set up:
1) Local WiFi is where a user has an existing WiFi network that their devices attach to. In this case, R2 can also attach to the existing network, and any device on that network can run the app and communicate with R2.
2) WiFi Direct is where a user wants to connect the device that can run the app, directly to R2. No other connections to R2 are allowed, and the device that runs the app won't be able to connect to a second WiFi network at the same time it's talking to R2 (of course, if it's a phone, it could still be connected to 4G or whatever phone line you have).
The first is great if you have a home network set up and just want to plug R2 into it without having to change your phone settings every time you want to run the app, and the second is best if you don't have a wifi network where you want to run R2 (like on the street) or you just want a connection that doesn't interfere with anything else. [/quote]
Aha, so just I use my phone as the home wifi like normal and use r2 in local wifi mode? Phew, that's a relief. I was really starting to get worried (and a little angry)
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So after finally getting my build finished, it turns out that you can't use a device as a hot-spot and controller at the same time. This means I would only have very limited functionality for 9 months of the year, only being able to use all of the features when back at home. So after some to and fro-ing with deag, (they initially claimed that they never said Bluetooth would be available and had to send them a still of their own promo video to prove it) they have offered a refund... But it has to be returned to Italy! It's really disappointing to have to do that, and I know it should be OK for most people, but at the end of the day, this situation has come about due to deag changing the spec without telling anyone and denying it for two years. All the best to everyone and hope your r2s keep you entertained for years to come
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