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jonny7england
#61 Posted : 21 July 2011 14:08:48

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Hi there Stefan...It's those first planks that seem to be the most difficult, Looks like you are getting along great so far...ThumpUp
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#62 Posted : 21 July 2011 20:30:25

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Hi Stefan.

Looking good so far mate.

However.

After soaking the planks are u just bening them in to shape around the hull or using some form of heat to help bend them?

Doing it that way stoped the planks from breaking. I soak the planks in boiling water for sround 20 minutes, then use a soldering iron now to bend the plank to shap, keep checking against the hull, bend a little more if needed, and once in shape, pin to the hull over night to dry before glueing to the hull.

You said in your post.

The first plank pinned & glued and the second one butted up against it to dry (hopefully the aliphatic glue does not lose its grip because of the moisture in the 2nd plank!)


If you have Glued a wet plank on to the hull be carefull, as like i found doing that, as the plank dries it shrinks and leaves gaps which do not look good after such a good effort.

Hope this helps you mate.

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#63 Posted : 22 July 2011 14:57:50

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Thanks Foz,

I'm soaking the planks in boiled water for about 20 minutes and then bend them around the hull. Last night, after snapping 2 planks that had been in boiling water, i took 2 raw planks, soaked them in the (then) tepid water for 2 minutes and proceeded to bend them around the stern without any problems! :o ThumpUp

I leave the plank to dry overnight before shaping, gluing and pinning it, and then bend the next damp plank next to it, I've never tried gluing a wet plank.

Only progress last night was fitting the 2nd layer of stern planks and bending the 3rd set (and leaving to dry)

I also proceeded to shape the little plank I stuck on the too wide gap that developed between layer 0 and -1 on the starboard side of the bow:

The stuck on plank


After sanding




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#64 Posted : 22 July 2011 15:31:44

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Hi Stefan
I found that if I put the desired end to be bent in an old thermos flask to soak in hot water, while I fiddle with the other bits, it does the trick beautifully, till i'm ready to use it. I agree don't glue a wet plank it does shrink and create gaps. I only use the pins to hold it in place while it dries overnight, then glue the following day/time. I then have the other soaking for use. Hope this helps.
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#65 Posted : 26 July 2011 11:35:15

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So after a couple of nights off, trying to get my mind off the build and the infernal stern planks, I decided to give it another go last night and lo and behold, 2 levels of stern planks (-4 & -5) were bend without breaking! BigGrin

Nothing fancy, just provisionally shaped, put in a mug of boiling water and took out when the water was tepid

Here they are, pinned to hold while drying.






Looking at the starboard bow I became a little worried and re-checked the fairing using a long bent plank, only to uncover a 'flat-spot' on frames 11, 11a & 12 below the water-line - this was causing the wide gap in the planks at this spot between layer 0 and layer -1

I used some planking to build up the ribs, but on re-thinking the problem, I'll remove these fillers, strip off the bow-planks this evening, extend the rib-filling to the water-line, sand it down and then re-plank.


I'm wondering whether this problem could have been avoided if I had filled the bow section with balsa before fairing like some of the other chaps on the forum.
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#66 Posted : 26 July 2011 11:54:16

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Hi Stefan Balsa would have made things a tad easier but you are making a great job of a difficult area, just keep taking your time, Good stuffBigGrin BigGrin LOL
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You are really motoring now Stefan...looking great mate...ThumpUp
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#68 Posted : 11 August 2011 11:01:09

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Still progressing on planking the hull, up to level 10 now. There has been a couple of challenges with the planking, but as I will be painting the hull, these are fixed to a standard I'm happy with.

The stern planked up to level 8:



I think I tapered the planks towards the bow too much as a noticeable gap started to appear between the level planks on the side and the natural curvature of the planks meeting at the bow





I measured and shaped a filler plank to fill these gaps equally on the port & starboard side





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My measurements and tapering of the stern planks must have been a little off because I found that I had to taper the planks on the Port side (Right hand side of the picture) much more than the starboard side to keep the number of planks meeting at the false keel equal.




There is slight klinkering, but it is negligible.

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Stefan you have done very well in the two areas which are not the easiest on the vessel. Good stuff!!BigGrin Cool
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#71 Posted : 19 August 2011 09:25:32

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Thanks MWG!

Couple of pictures to show I've not been idle:

The Garboard planks fitted and planks up to level -15



I've marked both sides to indicate when 10 plank-widths remain:



The Stern is coming along nicely, I never thought I'd be able to achieve this!



Are the last couple of 'smallish bends' tricky to get right?
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#72 Posted : 19 August 2011 13:00:17

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These pins that are being used to tack the hull into place?
Did you find them as suggested in previous issues or did you by them?
If bought who is best?
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#73 Posted : 19 August 2011 13:39:18

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Rob,

Saw them on this forum, unfortunately I cannot remember who to credit Confused

Those are self-constructed fold-over clips where a second clip was deconstructed and the ear placed inside the first clip: (19mm IIRC - 3/4" in the old language Wink)

How they look on the shelf:


A clip with 2 ears and an ear from a deconstructed clip


Presto!
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#74 Posted : 19 August 2011 14:31:37

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Your build is certainly looking good to me StefanDV and as for the clips, I did the same, but mine duid not come in flashy colours...LOL
Keep the picture coming mate...ThumpUp
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Stefan.

Your build is coming on a treat. Keep up the good work.
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#76 Posted : 19 August 2011 20:13:46

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Thanks gents! Your kindness is only exceeded by your beauty. Wink
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Good stuff StefanCool
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I'm finishing off the last couple of layers of planks at the stern and finding it extremely slow going being able to do only one plank per sitting!!
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That is the most time consuming part of the build I found, but such a sense of relief when the final plank is fitted. Once the keel is fitted you will look back and wonder what all the fuss was about!!!.BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin
Nice build and good luck with the rest of the build.
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At least your getting there just take your timeCool
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