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I was reading Keith Julier's New Period Ship Handbook last night and noticed his reference to using a suitable respirator when doing extended periods of modelling with the likes of super glues.
I was wondering what other experienced modellers on this forum do with respect to this?
I have noticed that if I leave the top off my super glue container for any length of time I tend to get a dry throat and a bit of cough.
I did some research on Google and Amazon etc last night and only ended up with an excess of information.
What kind of respirator would be useful and practicable?
Mike T
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Firstly, for prolonged Superglue/Cyanoacrilate use, then as a minimum, plenty of ventilation is a must!
Without sounding alarmist, you can actually become allergic to Cyano fumes, where your body may react to an overexposure of Cyano fumes. One minute you're feeling fine and happily gluing away, the next your eyes are swelling shut and you can't breathe.
Some people use Cyano a few times and become allergic, others use it for 5 years or so and become allergic. It depends on how long you've been using SuperGlue, each person is different, but regardless of who, your body is still absorbing something which is a bit like a ticking time bomb. Once you develop an allergy to Cyano it's there for life and there is no real way too reverse it, you'll always have a reaction after you develop an allergy to it. Most commonly it's a respiratory attack because breathing in the fumes is what does it, the harmful stuff is absorbed through your lungs, not your skin.
Without spending an awful lot of money on a self-contained respirator unit, all you need is a simple respirator that cleans out Organic Vapors, a simple dust mask does nothing for Cyano fumes, it just prevents particle ingress. Only a mask with filters certified to remove organic fumes will protect against superglue/paint/epoxy/resin fumes.
The '3M Organic Vapor half mask' is the most common in use, the mask also prevents the ingress of dust particles from sanding.
You did ask.....
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I have used super glue with all my builds thus far, but since building Victory I have found that I tend to get cold symptoms after use...I don't normally suffer with colds and was somewhat mystified why I was getting a sore throat, runny nose ect until it dawned on me that the symptoms only occurred after using super glue...I did purchase dust masks but found them useless...I shall be investing in a better form of mask before attempting the construction of the upper parts of Victory... Current Builds: Deagostini HMS Victory: Deagostini HMS Sovereign of the seas. Completed Builds: Del Prado: HMAS Bounty: Hachette: RMS Titanic: Del Prado: Cutty Sark...
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i have been trying this gator acrylic hobby glue instead of supper clue its used for sticking photo eatch brass parts to plastic longer to dry but none toxic so if it stickes this two different types ?
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Runny nose, dry cough, now I know the cause and I have only used a little super glue where specified in the mag. Will have to souce a mask pronto. Who said model making was harmless fun. But on a more serious note there is a warning on the bottle and as I am using the industrial strengh glue it is possible fumes are stronger. Just make sure there is plenty of fresh air, or better still use it outdoors. Cheers everybody CMB
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For those going the tiling route who use SuperGlue, adequate ventilation is a must, where such a large area will produce a large amount of fumes!
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Thanks for your reply Tomick, it basically confirms what I was reading last night.
I have found the 3M 4251 Organic Vapour/Dust Half Mask Respirator FP2, 3M for just under £15.00.
It talks about it being disposable and with a life of 1 month.
Would you replace yours every month or is it something which will last longer if like us we are only doing the 'odd bit of modelling' for a couple hours some evenings per week.
Mike T
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You should follow the guidelines for the mask that you purchase, many filters have an active part which degrades over time.
I might add that this information is purely intended to make people aware of some of the risks involved with working with the things that modellers use, and it is likely that some newcomers are not aware of the risks and will now be more careful.
A few more pointers.....
Solvents - Although most modellers don’t use large amounts of the thinners and solvents, they do often work in poorly ventilated areas and very close to their faces; in fact usually they are sitting right above the fumes. These solvents are to be found in many paints, glues and fillers, and some solvents such as Benzine are known carcinogens, and others being identified as possibly carcinogenic. A disease called OPS is common to painters, which is as a result of many years working with solvents, which can lead to minute brain damage, and is commonly known as “Painters Disease”. These effects are: sudden mood changes, loss of concentration and feeling tired and numb.
Acrylic Paints - Are by far the safest to use, low in fumes and solvents, often alcohol based.
MEK - Solvent used for cleaning airbrushes and gluing plastics: OPS and is a known carcinogen.
Benzene - often used for cleaning airbrushes, has a risk for OPS and is a known carcinogen.
Enamel paint - oil based paints, their thinners are the most risky component.
Epoxy Putties - such as Miliput - Can cause skin and eye irritation.
Polystyrene glue - Often Toluene based solvent which has an OPS risk and is a possible carcinogen.
Polyurethane Resin plastic - the dust is the most dangerous, because it can enter your respiratory system. Be very wary of using your mini electrical tools, the dust generated by these tools is enormous.
Primer paints - Often from a spray can, lots of unhealthy vapors and heavy pigments.
Wash your hands after finishing the job, and don’t eat, drink or smoke during the job.
Protecting yourself from these risks is quite easy and not that expensive. You should always follow manufacturer guidelines, and common sense never goes amiss.
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Just to add a note to this topic.
I primed my Victory hull with Mr Surfacer aerosol, I had all the windows open & an extraction unit going (is too small for the job really) and the fumes were still overpowering, gave me a chronic headache.
It's good stuff, but be warned!
Best used outdoors one thinks!
Wilfy
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Thank you MR T, for this very sound information and advice, all of which allows us to build our models more aware of possible health risks, and thus retaining the enjoyment MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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