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Hey people
I am wondering if anyone else in SA is having this problem. According to the model pictures, the first level of planking on Victory's hull, towards the stern, ends on the bottom of the galley supports and must be in line with the lower gun deck. This was fine until I saw that my first layer is not in line with the bottom of the galley supports, in fact, it is about three layers out (when using the lower gun deck as a guide). I carried on, thinking that maybe the galley is going to be smaller than the books example, but when it came with issue 40, this was not the case. How does one rectify this, I was thinking either extending the last ribs up to accommodate more planking, or somehow shortening the galley structure (which seems foolish).
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It sounds like one or more of your stern frames are not properly seated into the keel, if I recall rightly Foz had the same problem.
Do the deck supports on each frame run level from frame to frame?
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Hi Arnold, welcome to the forum. Can you post some pictures so we can get a better understanding of the problem?
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Welcome to this Forum Arnold, sent pictures and you will get your answers. Everybody on this Forum is keen to help. Enjoy your Victory build and remember take your time it’s not a race. Albatross, build in 1982 from plans.
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Don't you love it when your computer decides to freeze when uploading photo's. Lets try that again.
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Arnold, I cannot make out the first pic, but from the 2nd pic, it looks like the frame is either not properly seated, or not sanded back completely. Here is a pic of mine 
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see the keel the bit it looks black in your photo sand back at 90 deg to the keel the last frame till you just start sanding the black off the keel all the way dont be afraid when the last frame seams to disapear at the bottom that why there 3 frames glued to geather there is an angle at the back top to bottom ps your second last frame dose look to high
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Hi ArnoldW! I can see what has happened when you fitted rib 30 into its slot you got it all the way down this is great. Rib 31 has court the top of its slot and hasn't gone all the way down its slot, this has made your gallery supports too high. To correct this remove the lower planks at the stern, next remove the gallery supports with their planks if you can get hold of a steam cleaner or a steam wallpaper stripper use its jet to heat the glue on the supports at rib 31 and rib 34. The steam will heat the glue and the moister will soften the bond so you can slowly ease the sections off, if you can’t use steam, use some hot water. You will need to remove ribs 31 & 34 using the same method, once they are off let them dry, clean them with sand paper. Next refit the ribs 31 & 34 in there correct place make sure that this time rib 31 fits all the way down the slot, you can mark across the end of the slot on the keel and the rib use these marks to check you have fitted the rib correctly. Fair the stern again to get the stern shape right. Refit the gallery supports and the planking under them, you will need to fix a new plank sections to the side of the gallery supports, use the template in issue 24 to shape the planks that were next to the gallery supports before you started the corrections. At least you found it before you went too far. It's not hard to sort-out at this early stage, and if you’re going to paint the hull you can hide the joint and only you will know. Darron
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Hi Arnold I note from your pictures that you don’t use a jig for your keel. You need a jig to hold your keel with out a jig your model will start to twist when you fit your planks. If you plank 3 lines of planking on one side you need to the same on the other side the same day. Regards Sietse. Albatross, build in 1982 from plans.
Hms Bounty, build in 1987 from plans.
Duyfken,build in 1991 from plans
Oosterland, build in 1998 from plans
2010 Hms Victory kit from Deagostini
In the meantime.
2011 Building MFV 1963 fishing trawler from plan.
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ArnoldW wrote:Hey people
I am wondering if anyone else in SA is having this problem. According to the model pictures, the first level of planking on Victory's hull, towards the stern, ends on the bottom of the galley supports and must be in line with the lower gun deck. This was fine until I saw that my first layer is not in line with the bottom of the galley supports, in fact, it is about three layers out (when using the lower gun deck as a guide). I carried on, thinking that maybe the galley is going to be smaller than the books example, but when it came with issue 40, this was not the case. How does one rectify this, I was thinking either extending the last ribs up to accommodate more planking, or somehow shortening the galley structure (which seems foolish). Hi,Im new to the forum,reason joining,yes problems with the stern. Having major problems bending the planks,keep breaking.Any ideas?Cheers
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hi, bolitho, i like many on this build had problems like you, the advice i was given and have followed ever since was to soak the planks for a while, then trial fit them against the ribs, and use a plank bender and slowly crimp them until you get the required curve, using a good grip wood glue, glue and pin them in position. the other advice is to take your time, even if it only means two or three planks at a time. current builds
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alantait wrote:hi, bolitho, i like many on this build had problems like you, the advice i was given and have followed ever since was to soak the planks for a while, then trial fit them against the ribs, and use a plank bender and slowly crimp them until you get the required curve, using a good grip wood glue, glue and pin them in position. the other advice is to take your time, even if it only means two or three planks at a time. Cheers alantait for reply.I will give it a go and let you know.I,m still working on issue 33 and purchased to 75.I,m finding it a bit tricky.
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know what you mean, sometimes either a third or fourth hand would be helpful or the nimble fingers of my two year old grandson to thread and tie the blocks when you reach this point current builds
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When I started on the Stern, I broke 2-3 planks for every one that I fitted , the trick is to bend very slowly!
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bOlithO wrote:ArnoldW wrote:Hey people
I am wondering if anyone else in SA is having this problem. According to the model pictures, the first level of planking on Victory's hull, towards the stern, ends on the bottom of the galley supports and must be in line with the lower gun deck. This was fine until I saw that my first layer is not in line with the bottom of the galley supports, in fact, it is about three layers out (when using the lower gun deck as a guide). I carried on, thinking that maybe the galley is going to be smaller than the books example, but when it came with issue 40, this was not the case. How does one rectify this, I was thinking either extending the last ribs up to accommodate more planking, or somehow shortening the galley structure (which seems foolish). Hi,Im new to the forum,reason joining,yes problems with the stern. Having major problems bending the planks,keep breaking.Any ideas?Cheers Hi bOlithO I'm also a newbie, but luckly not having major problems. I'm using a electric bender, I soak my planks in boiling water for 30min or longer then start bending very slowly. Current Buid:
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