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Hi guys, I was wondering is it okay to paint a plastic model without a primer? In the past I've painted straight on the plastic & it seems to work pretty well. Also, does it matter what colour the primer is for a bright red model to give the best finish? Thanks to all who read & respond. Stu
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Hi Stu. Like you, my modelling never included such things as primers back in the good old days of the early airfix kits (I don't think there were such things as primers back then!) But (also back then) all the available modelling paints were enamel based and I think you could get away with a great finish straight onto the plastic (never even washed the parts in detergent like you really should!) Today's paints though, at least the ones I'm using are increasingly acrylic and I think for that type of paint a primer or 'undercoat' is a much better bet. The acrylics will adhere to bare plastic but they fix onto the primer much better and give a stronger 'rub resistant' finish. For a bright red model I would think probably a white primer, grey would slightly darken the red and a red oxide colour would do so even more. I'm using the Vallejo Grey primer on most things apart from the metal colour airbrush range when I'm priming in black ('cos that's what the bottles tell you to use!) Other than that, a matt white car primer in an aerosol will do the job (make sure its for acrylics and not cellulose though, the cellulose can do nasty things to some plastics!) Best of luck. Robin First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault Index for the Victory diary is on page 1
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Thanks Robin, a lot of valuable info there. I'm about to start a new project so I'll try using a matt white primer & see how I get on. Cheers. Stu.
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I always wash the plastic in detergent to get rid of the oils from handling and I prime if I need anything other than a flat finish.I generally use the tamiya fine white primer for bright color final coats and I do sand down the primer to get relatively smooth finish to kake sure I get a nice glossy top coat.
Carl
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Hi Carl, Thanks for that. I'll try the Tamiya white spray paint first. I just got an airbrush for my birthday so I'll try that as well. Cheers Carl.
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I think white primer for red paint is a no no, any of you seen the way Austin 1100s went pink after a few years of sunlight (who remembers Austin 1100s) I always use grey or red primer for red. Ken's the name modeling's the game.
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Hi Ken, I didn't know that white primer could turn a red model pink. I would probably go with a matt red primer or should I go with a gloss red primer? Thanks to all for the advice. Stu.
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I only ever use real car paints in rattle cans so I'm a tad biased. White primer for red. Grey or red oxide makes the red a lot darker.
Have a peep at my Gold Leaf Lotus 72. White primer everywhere before paints except black and silver, when I use grey primer.
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Hi Roy, thanks for the advice. I checked out your finished Lotus & the red you've got there is pretty much what I would like. Stu.
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