|
Rank: Pro Groups: Registered
Joined: 13/10/2020 Posts: 171 Points: 522 Location: Hampshire, UK
|
delboy271155 wrote:Hi ODO, This is all looking very good, WTG I have to agree with Chris and his comments previously, but I would remind you to be careful of shaping down to the lowest point all the time. Sometimes it pays to use a little filler to bring up the low point and then sand back. Otherwise you may find yourself with a plank so thin that its no good. Using filler is not anyway saying you have got it wrong, its just a fine balance to get to where you want/need to be so your second planking looks so much better. Good luck as you move on with your build and I look forward to seeing more of your progress. Regards delboy271155 (Derek) Thanks Derek, your comments are much appreciated I had that exact concern you're mentioning about ending up with planks that are too thin after sanding the hull. And to minimise the risk off going too thin the plan was to make sure, that in those areas where the adjoining planks were not flush and had more of a clinker look, the overhanging plank stuck out no more than 0.5mm. Well, the plan worked quite well in most areas. At a couple of points the overhang was just shy of 1mm but I'm confident that after sanding no plank is thinner than 1mm. There is only one spot where I had to glue a scrap piece of plank on top of an existing plank as the overhang was about 1.5mm. This fix is not crazily obvious and will be covered with a wale anyways. Odo attached the following image(s):
|
|
Rank: Pro Groups: Registered
Joined: 13/10/2020 Posts: 171 Points: 522 Location: Hampshire, UK
|
After spending the whole day in a dust cloud, I finally finished shaping the hull. Using the scrapers left me with a fairly smooth surface already, so the sanding was really more of a matter of getting the finish right. I started with 100G, then moved to 150G goldflex sanding pads and finished with 240G sanding pads. The finish feels fine to me but I'm not sure if I should go any finer with grid 320 or even 400?! Would any finer than 240G be of any real benefit? I still want to stain the hull and don't want to 'polish' the fibres of the wood too much risking the stain not to adhere. Odo attached the following image(s):
|
|
Rank: Master Groups: Registered
Joined: 21/04/2011 Posts: 1,072 Points: 3,245 Location: Buckinghamshire
|
Odo, that is one very tidy set of planking. Beautifully done. Keep the diary entries coming. Chris
|
|
Rank: Pro Groups: Registered
Joined: 13/10/2020 Posts: 171 Points: 522 Location: Hampshire, UK
|
goddo wrote:Odo, that is one very tidy set of planking. Beautifully done. Keep the diary entries coming. Chris Thanks Chris, I'm glad this process is past me now.
|
|
Rank: Pro Groups: Registered
Joined: 13/10/2020 Posts: 171 Points: 522 Location: Hampshire, UK
|
I'm not 100% sure what type of varnish to use when it comes to staining the hull. In order to figure that one out I'm currently making samples to try different combinations. For the wales i decided to get walnut strip wood as I want to reduce the rest of a potentially varnish bleeding... Odo attached the following image(s):
|
|
Rank: Pro Groups: Registered
Joined: 13/10/2020 Posts: 171 Points: 522 Location: Hampshire, UK
|
I used two coats of dark oak satin varnish for below the waterline and just a clear satin varnish on top of the wales and upper hull, which looked like this Odo attached the following image(s):
|
|
Rank: Pro Groups: Registered
Joined: 13/10/2020 Posts: 171 Points: 522 Location: Hampshire, UK
|
I found that the walnut looks a little bit dull, so I applied two coats of walnut and ended up with a nicer contrast between the varnishes Also, I added some tree nails form bass wire, which I think and hope will give a nice little detail addition to the hull. I pre-drilled the holes with a 0.4mm drill and then filled them with 0.5mm brass wire. In order to do the whole hull of the Victory, I'll have to pre-drill and fit approx. 4,500 of these nails Happy days ahead... Odo attached the following image(s):
|
|
Rank: Pro Groups: Registered
Joined: 13/10/2020 Posts: 171 Points: 522 Location: Hampshire, UK
|
For the second sample I thought to try to mimic warmer colour scheme of the Victory model as shown on the DeAgostini website https://www.deagostini.c...cale-models/hms-victory
I tried with various varnishes (eg. antique pine, french oak...) I had at hand but couldn't achieve a satisfactorily result, at least for me. There's a few more stages before I actually get to stain the hull but I'll most likely go with the first sample as I think it''l look more natural and better once the varnish is applied to the whole ship. Odo attached the following image(s):
|
|
Rank: Master Groups: Registered
Joined: 21/04/2011 Posts: 1,072 Points: 3,245 Location: Buckinghamshire
|
Hi Odo,
I’ve just read your last post with interest as I went through the same decision process when I was at this stage. I think you are making a good choice with the first stain sample. It looks much more ‘Normal’
Keep the posts coming.
Chris
|
|
Rank: Pro Groups: Registered
Joined: 13/10/2020 Posts: 171 Points: 522 Location: Hampshire, UK
|
goddo wrote:Hi Odo,
I’ve just read your last post with interest as I went through the same decision process when I was at this stage. I think you are making a good choice with the first stain sample. It looks much more ‘Normal’
Keep the posts coming.
Chris Hi Chris, Thanks for your input. Things might look nice on a sample but end up appearing differently once the whole hull is done. It's hard to make a choice. I tried one last combination. And rather than making a third sample I reused the one with the antique pine varnish (scraped and sanded off all the old varnishes of course). This time I used a Dark Oak Stain rather than a Varnish on the lower hull, a walnut dye on the wales and a Dark Oak Varnish on the upper hull. I think the dye and the stain brought out the grain of the wood better and added maybe a bit more character. I also think, this sample resembles more the look I wanted to mimic. However, I'm still torn.... Odo attached the following image(s):
|
|
Rank: Pro Groups: Registered
Joined: 13/10/2020 Posts: 171 Points: 522 Location: Hampshire, UK
|
Before making any wood colouring choices, I need to focus on something else. I can't do the staining until the false keel is installed anyway so here we go. I didn't want to risk for the blade to wander off and cut into the hull whilst cutting along the provisionally fitted keel, so I decided just to make a pencil line along the keel and then use a chisel knife to cut along the line. It's, again, a slow process but it allowed me to have more control over staying on the cut line. Odo attached the following image(s):
|
|
Rank: Pro Groups: Registered
Joined: 13/10/2020 Posts: 171 Points: 522 Location: Hampshire, UK
|
here with the dry fitted curved stem Odo attached the following image(s):
|
|
Rank: Pro Groups: Registered
Joined: 13/10/2020 Posts: 171 Points: 522 Location: Hampshire, UK
|
...and the stern post Odo attached the following image(s):
|
|
Rank: Elite Groups: Registered
Joined: 13/02/2011 Posts: 2,233 Points: 6,819 Location: East Sussex
|
Odo, Very nice work.looking forward to the next post. Regards Trev Work in progress: Tombstone (Scratch) - San Francisco 2. -The Mayflower ( scratch by plan).
OcCre- Santa-Maria (Kit).
|
|
Rank: Pro Groups: Registered
Joined: 13/10/2020 Posts: 171 Points: 522 Location: Hampshire, UK
|
tf64 wrote:Odo, Very nice work.looking forward to the next post.
Regards Trev Thanks Trev
|
|
Rank: Administration Groups: Administrator, Administrators, Forum Support Team, Global Forum Support, Global Forum Support Team, Moderator, Official Builds Joined: 24/08/2009 Posts: 1,927 Points: 5,803 Location: UK
|
Nice, tight looking planking job!
I started this one ages ago, but gave it up. The plywood de-lammed due to the desert air, and it seemed pointless to redo everything, only to meet the probable same fate.
Looks great!
Mark
|
|
Rank: Pro Groups: Registered
Joined: 13/10/2020 Posts: 171 Points: 522 Location: Hampshire, UK
|
admin wrote:Nice, tight looking planking job!
I started this one ages ago, but gave it up. The plywood de-lammed due to the desert air, and it seemed pointless to redo everything, only to meet the probable same fate.
Looks great!
Mark Thanks Mark! Sorry to hear that all your hard work got ruined. I'd be devastated if for whatever reason the whole thing would fall apart at this stage...
|
|
Rank: Pro Groups: Registered
Joined: 13/10/2020 Posts: 171 Points: 522 Location: Hampshire, UK
|
The false keel, as well as the stem and stern post , are sitting nice and tight it their cut-out. So when gluing them in place there was no need to use pins. Odo attached the following image(s):
|
|
Rank: Pro Groups: Registered
Joined: 13/10/2020 Posts: 171 Points: 522 Location: Hampshire, UK
|
I found it really tricky to get the cut right for the false keel at the stern, especially when the keel was fitted. My idea was to leave the width of the cut-out where the planks are twisting and at approx. 5mm. At that point the planks thin out to nothing and become very fragile but also very flexible because of it. I thought to use that flex so that the planks will press themselves against the keel. Some pieces of the planks chipped of, but sanding made these areas less obvious. Unfortunately, I didn't not take enough pictures to illustrate my thinking but I hope it makes sense... Odo attached the following image(s):
|
|
Rank: Pro Groups: Registered
Joined: 13/10/2020 Posts: 171 Points: 522 Location: Hampshire, UK
|
next step; fitting the false decks for the gallery. I followed the instructions of how to mark the positions of the cutout for the upper false deck to be slotted in. I cut them in a right angle toward the last rip frame. But when I fitted the deck I figured that I actually should've cut them sloping slightly up wards following the extended curvature of the future upper gun deck (indicated with the red line). That way the upper false deck supports will sit flush with the lower false deck. Correcting the slots to allow an upwards slope won't be an issue, but... Odo attached the following image(s):
|
|
Guest (2)
|