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I have been trying to get some nice neat rope coils with the fine cord used for rigging the cannon etc. Is there a method, technique or special tool to make these coils up, I just seem to end up with a sticky mess most of the time and as I need about 60 for my x-section build, if it's too dificult to get them right I'll just make irregular 'piles' of rope. Please tell me there is an 'easy' way to do it!!   Jeff
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have u tried masking tape coil the rope on to it then water down some pva & paint it onto the top of it
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I use double sided sticky tape. Coil onto the tape brush with watered down pva, then use a scapel blade or razor blade to carefully lift it off of the tape.
Can be difficult to get the coils but find a decent fine pair of angled tweezers does the trick, think they are 7A.
Hope that helps.
Wilfy
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Thank's chap's, I've tried sticky tape & PVA but but they usually end up unraveling when I pull them off, must admit I hav'nt tried the double sided stuff and like you say, with care and a scalpel it should be a lot easier.  Jeff
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Hi
I'm no good at posting pics or graphics but I have seen some place 2 small bits of plastic card (most materials could be utilised) used. As memory recalls you place 1 part of the plastic card over a central pin (read that as fine panel pin in a bit of wood). you then put the 2nd bit of plastic card on top. Net result 2 bits of card on a central pin.
What you then do is secure your cord between the 2 bits if card. As you wind your coil is kept in place by the upper piece of card.
Really hope that makes some sort of sense as I have used this am it really does work very well.
Kind regards
Tony
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Sounds good Tony  MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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just a thought chaps wouldnt it be even easier to glue the coiled rope on the masking tape then trim the masking tape leaving the coil on the masking tape underneath so it cannot be seen? might be easier to glue the coils to the deck as well if that makes sense
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i like that idea how many coils on the victory is there apart from the launch
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godey wrote:just a thought chaps wouldnt it be even easier to glue the coiled rope on the masking tape then trim the masking tape leaving the coil on the masking tape underneath so it cannot be seen? might be easier to glue the coils to the deck as well if that makes sense Possible problem with that method is the effect of time on the tape. the tape may warp over time. Once you have washed with watered down PVA it should be fairly robust. best method is definitely the masking tape method. its very easy and adaptable if you want to fashion the rope in a different configuration, lying over a bucket, dead body etc. “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
-Mark Twain
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Excelent ideas lads, I'll get stuck in as soon as I can and post some 'pics',  Thanks everybody, Jeff
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I can make 5 in 25 minutes & thought that was good going!!! 
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I dont know what the wife has slipped into my tea but another idea  getting back to Jeffs original post about neat coils how about getting a thin piece of brass tubing or maybe a cotten bud stalk and cutting a slot in the end get the end of the rope in the slot put some watered down pva on a brush and twist the tube on a flat surface with one hand and painting the coil with the other as its turned leave it on the tube until its dry .using cotton bud stems u can make as many as u like at one time .I think I had better lay down for a while.
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godey wrote:I dont know what the wife has slipped into my tea but another idea getting back to Jeffs original post about neat coils how about getting a thin piece of brass tubing or maybe a cotten bud stalk and cutting a slot in the end get the end of the rope in the slot put some watered down pva on a brush and twist the tube on a flat surface with one hand and painting the coil with the other as its turned leave it on the tube until its dry .using cotton bud stems u can make as many as u like at one time .I think I had better lay down for a while. not ded sure i follow that do you mean coil down the tube? “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
-Mark Twain
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jase wrote:godey wrote:I dont know what the wife has slipped into my tea but another idea getting back to Jeffs original post about neat coils how about getting a thin piece of brass tubing or maybe a cotten bud stalk and cutting a slot in the end get the end of the rope in the slot put some watered down pva on a brush and twist the tube on a flat surface with one hand and painting the coil with the other as its turned leave it on the tube until its dry .using cotton bud stems u can make as many as u like at one time .I think I had better lay down for a while. not ded sure i follow that do you mean coil down the tube? Hi jase what I thought was put the cord in the slot put the slotted end on a tile or something and turn with the paintbrush on the top. the cord should form a coil extending outwards,the more turns the bigger the coil on the surface of the tile with the paintbrush keeping the coils in place and gluing at the same time .the slot in the tube only needs to be deep enough to hold the end of the cord .I have just seen willies post same sort of idea but using a flat surface the coils can be made as big or small as needed.
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godey wrote:jase wrote:godey wrote:I dont know what the wife has slipped into my tea but another idea getting back to Jeffs original post about neat coils how about getting a thin piece of brass tubing or maybe a cotten bud stalk and cutting a slot in the end get the end of the rope in the slot put some watered down pva on a brush and twist the tube on a flat surface with one hand and painting the coil with the other as its turned leave it on the tube until its dry .using cotton bud stems u can make as many as u like at one time .I think I had better lay down for a while. not ded sure i follow that do you mean coil down the tube? Hi jase what I thought was put the cord in the slot put the slotted end on a tile or something and turn with the paintbrush on the top. the cord should form a coil extending outwards,the more turns the bigger the coil on the surface of the tile with the paintbrush keeping the coils in place and gluing at the same time .the slot in the tube only needs to be deep enough to hold the end of the cord .I have just seen willies post same sort of idea but using a flat surface the coils can be made as big or small as needed. Right i have got ya now “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
-Mark Twain
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