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roymattblack
#41 Posted : 05 July 2012 18:07:49

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We would be needing new front and rear wings, therefore I would expect a company that supplied wrongly in the first place to send them out complete, ie already done.[/quote]


The trouble is, although everyone keeps talking about the front and rear wings being at fault, they're the only parts that are the RIGHT colour.
It's the body parts that are wrong - they're a horrible greyish salmon-pink.
It's the body parts that need sorting, not the wings.

Roy.
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#42 Posted : 05 July 2012 18:10:19

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But,(my English teacher told me never to start a sentence with but.)
But surely new wings are the most complicated pieces to replace, I haven't counted the issues required,(I'm sure someone will tell me soon!) the other option would surely just to do something about the two body parts, that only requires one issue!

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#43 Posted : 05 July 2012 18:34:05

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[/quote] And I am sure Warthog will come up with a solution that even I can follow Blushing [/quote]

Well I did say I'd re-do them for everyone!! but that was to stop them from trying it themselves and completely Cursing up the whole thing... it's going to cost mind Wink lol
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#44 Posted : 05 July 2012 18:36:00

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Roy,

Should have read you post properly, doh!

Now you say you have body parts that are not the right colour (well not you but your model!!!) now am I alone in that my body parts are red and my wings are a lighter red. My arms are OK though...

I am away for the weekend but if I get five minutes I will get the camera out and post a pic.
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#45 Posted : 05 July 2012 18:36:33

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We would be needing new front and rear wings, therefore I would expect a company that supplied wrongly in the first place to send them out complete, ie already done.[/quote]


The trouble is, although everyone keeps talking about the front and rear wings being at fault, they're the only parts that are the RIGHT colour.
It's the body parts that are wrong - they're a horrible greyish salmon-pink.
It's the body parts that need sorting, not the wings.

Roy.[/quote]


I said this ages ago Roy and no one listens lol
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#46 Posted : 05 July 2012 18:59:43

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If as you say the wings are the correct colour surely they should have a gloss finish and not matt. The colour on the body parts i have look red (glossy) and not salmon pink.
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#47 Posted : 05 July 2012 21:03:16

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The colour looks right to me.
Its just the lack of the glossy finish that bothers me and i don't think i'd have the skill to gloss it right first time on this model and a mistake could be costly.
I just want Deag to supply glossed parts.
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#48 Posted : 05 July 2012 22:13:34

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only1ianuk wrote:
The colour looks right to me.
Its just the lack of the glossy finish that bothers me and i don't think i'd have the skill to gloss it right first time on this model and a mistake could be costly.
I just want Deag to supply glossed parts.


If I told you it wasn't hard would you believe me?! BigGrin
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#49 Posted : 05 July 2012 22:42:14

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Senna94 wrote:
only1ianuk wrote:
The colour looks right to me.
Its just the lack of the glossy finish that bothers me and i don't think i'd have the skill to gloss it right first time on this model and a mistake could be costly.
I just want Deag to supply glossed parts.


If I told you it wasn't hard would you believe me?! BigGrin


It may not be hard but i don't trust myself on a £700 piece of kit! One mistake and i'd be beggared! lol
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#50 Posted : 05 July 2012 22:44:47

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It doesnt really matter if its hard or not. Not everybody who has decided to spend their hard earned money on this model is good at spraying, so it could end up very costly. Plus the model should be supplied correct so people can just put it together and have a fantastic model. If people want to improve it, which there are a kot of people on here who are capable of this and i admire and jealous of them for their skill. But the fact still remains that this model was advertised as a fully licenced model so should be realistic and not need tweaks to get it looking correct, fair enough people want to improve it but this was supposed to cater for everyone. I myself am not prepared to start glossing parts that should have been supplied already with correct finish, its a manufacturing fault and should be corrected by the supplier. If there not prepared to do that a full refund should be offered hence the comment cobbled together. verall the model is superb but this colour issue ruins it.
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#51 Posted : 05 July 2012 22:50:28

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only1ianuk wrote:
Senna94 wrote:
only1ianuk wrote:
The colour looks right to me.
Its just the lack of the glossy finish that bothers me and i don't think i'd have the skill to gloss it right first time on this model and a mistake could be costly.
I just want Deag to supply glossed parts.


If I told you it wasn't hard would you believe me?! BigGrin


It may not be hard but i don't trust myself on a £700 piece of kit! One mistake and i'd be beggared! lol


Fair enough! I appreciate that :)
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#52 Posted : 05 July 2012 22:53:53

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andylangtree wrote:
It doesnt really matter if its hard or not. Not everybody who has decided to spend their hard earned money on this model is good at spraying, so it could end up very costly. Plus the model should be supplied correct so people can just put it together and have a fantastic model. If people want to improve it, which there are a kot of people on here who are capable of this and i admire and jealous of them for their skill. But the fact still remains that this model was advertised as a fully licenced model so should be realistic and not need tweaks to get it looking correct, fair enough people want to improve it but this was supposed to cater for everyone. I myself am not prepared to start glossing parts that should have been supplied already with correct finish, its a manufacturing fault and should be corrected by the supplier. If there not prepared to do that a full refund should be offered hence the comment cobbled together. verall the model is superb but this colour issue ruins it.


With all due respect, its not about the gloss, and so far apart from the sidepod colour issue it looks exactly how DeAgostini advertised it to look. If you look at the models users have built up to date and refer back to the poster we all got with issue one, that one isn't 'glossy' so to speak, it has a little shine, but not gloss.

Im not wanting to start an argument, I respect your opinion, I'm just conveying my opinion too.
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#53 Posted : 05 July 2012 23:00:58

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Senna94 no argument intended. I respect your opinion and we all have one. By glossy i meant shine. All i meant was, is not everybody is confident enough to fix this issue and to be honest they should not have to, it should have been correct in first place.
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#54 Posted : 05 July 2012 23:58:47

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andylangtree wrote:
Senna94 no argument intended. I respect your opinion and we all have one. By glossy i meant shine. All i meant was, is not everybody is confident enough to fix this issue and to be honest they should not have to, it should have been correct in first place.


I totally agree - it should have been right from square one.
The reality is, however, DeAg/Kyosho are now in a bit of a 'spot' trying to offer a 'fix' at a sensible cost to themselves.
The Japanese fix (which was obviously accepted) was a gloss coat.
Maybe DeAg will offer a free can of gloss lacquer to sort it in the UK.
The total lack of response to all the complaining here shows how unconcerned DeAg/Kyosho really are by our whingeing.
Let's be realistic.
There are around 20-ish people who actually comment on the threads about the colour problem. Forget the number of 'views' - look at the names.
Compare that to the probable thousands who are buying it.
We don't really stand much hope of actually being listened to.
DeAg/Kyosho aren't going to provide 'new' parts at a cost of thousands of pounds just to placate a very small number of unhappy customers.
I'm NOT being defeatist - just realistic and sensible.
I STILL think the clear coat will be their offer/suggestion of a fix.
As I said before, a set of 'correct' decals is the cheapest/easiest way out, but I doubt if DeAg/Kyosho will even go that far.
Accept the kit as it is.
After around 18 weeks and umpteen thousand messages/views with no response, it's pretty obvious nothing is forthcoming.
As I said once before, I'm NOT being negative.
Just sensible.
Be positive and enjoy what is an amazing, ultimately pretty rare 1/8 kit of the car.
Build it, 'tweak' the colour issue if you feel the need, display it and show off with it.
Roy.
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#55 Posted : 06 July 2012 00:44:40

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Roy, please dont take this the wrong way and i understand what you say and it probably makes sense but aint people who have bought into this model got the right to expect that the supplier should correct faults, regardless of cost to themselves. Afterall there purchasers researched it and decided to market it in the uk. Plus if this problem arose in Japan why was it not sorted before being released here, afterall the problem with the body work is supposedly sorted, that remains to be seen and thanks to the person who posted the fix that admin said had been sorted, sorry can`t remember who it was. Dont you think its time people started to demand what is advertised is what you get without the tweaks to get it there. To me this model was misadvertised and its time Deag stepped up and sorted it or offer people a full refund for advertising it incorrectly.
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I have been trying my best to keep off the subject as much as possible, but now have lost interest in this kit.

Since starting the topic and agreeing with Tomick to lock the thread as it was getting a bit 'blue' in places and appreciating there are younger eyes reading the topics on here it was a correct thing to do. I was assured it would be reopened again once a solution was found.

Tomick has been in contact we me from time to time and I do appreciate his time and also appreciate he is in a no win situation and can only comment as far as he is allowed.

I appreciate that admin did not want the thread to carry on as it was hurting their businaess regarding new subscribers.
I assumed at the time that this would be sorted within a small timescale, but I was so wrong. It is now 4 months further on and certainly speeding towards the conclusion of the build. The lack of communication from deag concerns me and arouses my suspicions that delay on their part is their aim.

Their have been many ideas to a solution inc ideas from Warty and Roy that could have been investigated and deag could have replied that yes they are ideas and we will look into them, but no....nothing !

This surely will now not be fixed and will disappear from the horizon only for deag to breathe a sigh of relief that it's gone.

I too will NEVER buy anymore items from deag as long as I can still draw breath and would NOW appreciate a full refund AND a cost for my labours so far......I think that is fair, just have to work out how many hours I have spent on it.
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#57 Posted : 06 July 2012 13:34:06

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andylangtree wrote:
To me this model was misadvertised and its time Deag stepped up and sorted it or offer people a full refund for advertising it incorrectly.



The model has not been mis-advertised or mis-sold. It would have been mis-advertised if DeAgostini had advertised a MP4-23 McLaren and given you a Robin Reliant instead, which of course they did not.
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#58 Posted : 06 July 2012 16:25:20
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Having spent a considerable amount of time discussing with Kyosho the queries raised by customers on this forum, we have been advised that any colour variances which customers may have experienced are a result of the different types of material used in the production of the MP4-23.
Kyosho worked very closely with McLaren to produce this model and naturally we want to use the best materials possible for the model. We must emphasise that many of the parts issued to date will require finishing to the extent that decals will need to be applied, which is dealt with in later issues.
Therefore, we believe that upon completion of your build, you will be extremely happy with your model but if you continue to have any queries after this time, then we will be happy to answer them.

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#59 Posted : 06 July 2012 16:36:22

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admin wrote:
Having spent a considerable amount of time discussing with Kyosho the queries raised by customers on this forum, we have been advised that any colour variances which customers may have experienced are a result of the different types of material used in the production of the MP4-23.
Kyosho worked very closely with McLaren to produce this model and naturally we want to use the best materials possible for the model. We must emphasise that many of the parts issued to date will require finishing to the extent that decals will need to be applied, which is dealt with in later issues.
Therefore, we believe that upon completion of your build, you will be extremely happy with your model but if you continue to have any queries after this time, then we will be happy to answer them.

Thanks

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Wow, awaiting the onslaught of unhappy comments!
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#60 Posted : 06 July 2012 16:38:31

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there is a 2007 mclaren at the donnington park museum, when i was there a few weeks ago i did notice that the wings and sidepods were a different colour of red. the wings looked more of an orange colour compared to a deeper red on the sidepods, maybe deag and kyosho have got ir right and there was never a problem.
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