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Senna94 wrote:only1ianuk wrote:Senna94 wrote:I think its the right time to point out that the answer has been given and as some of you have already said this thread is not adding any value to the forum.
Let me explain something -
When we signed up for this model we knew how much it would cost, we knew what we were getting but aswell as the model we get a magazine every issue. The magazine is pretty decent in the fact it is packed with features and being a avid formula 1 fan I love reading anything about the sport. But that also means that we are paying for two things, the model and the magazine. So call it £700 for the full sub, lets say £500 for the model £200 for the magazine which I think is more than reasonable break down of the cost. So £500 for a model does sound expensive but 1. Its pre-painted whether you like it or not, 2. its semi-exclusive eg you can only get it here or at Amalgam. So when taking them into consideration the price isn't actually too bad which ever way you look at it.
If you take a look at some of the completed Japanese models they look brilliant, and I'm talking about the standard ones. I've also gained information that the colour issue was seen in Japan, my contact doesn't know what exactly what was done about it, but we both thought that the clearcoating at the end was a possible fix. So you are not alone. Besides, when building a model from scratch, almost all modellers will clearcoat and polish to finish.
Let me also inform you that if you are not happy, please feel free to go to Amalgam and pay £3500 for a MP4-23 model, albeit not the Silverstone spec. Or if your feeling £3500 is too much, then pay the 75% full value price for a kit, I mean at a mere £2900 approx depending on which model, which I suppose is not bad, or is it?
Many of you will know I'm stripping mine down and repainting, but even if I was to stock build this, I would be happy to display it, proudly, knowing I have built it.
The forum is turning sour because of this, and a forum should not be like this.
I propose Admin/Tomick we close the thread and concentrate on matters which can be discussed peacefully, after all this is not up for discussion no more as DeAgo and Kyosho have answered the quesitons.
If I offend anyone its not meant to, I just want to come on the forum and see something positive and all I've done in the past week is read this thread.
Hi, Could you post some links to the finished japanese ones as i wanted to see what affect the clear coat has. I was planning on getting my hands on some of it from Japan if its any good! Not too sure about using the Tamiya one as i read somewhere its best to only use aqueous and not the acrylic clear coat. Ta Ian Hi Ian, Pictures pulled from the Japanese forum - http://deagostini.jp/ima...2012043021504824037.jpg
http://deagostini.jp/ima...2012040320395797bed.jpg
They are the only ones I can find... I have seen more but didnt save the links. Hope this helps. Danny Cheers Danny. I think Deag have a point and it does look awesome complete. I think the clear coat when the decals are applied will be the solution to all our issues and i for one can't wait! 
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Could somebody please post a link to the DeAG gave there answer.
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NSCXP2005
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nscxp2005 wrote:Could somebody please post a link to the DeAG gave there answer.
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NSCXP2005 I think you will find the original has been removed and locked until a full solution from Admin and DeAg
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admin wrote:Having spent a considerable amount of time discussing with Kyosho the queries raised by customers on this forum, we have been advised that any colour variances which customers may have experienced are a result of the different types of material used in the production of the MP4-23.
Kyosho worked very closely with McLaren to produce this model and naturally we want to use the best materials possible for the model. We must emphasise that many of the parts issued to date will require finishing to the extent that decals will need to be applied, which is dealt with in later issues.
Therefore, we believe that upon completion of your build, you will be extremely happy with your model but if you continue to have any queries after this time, then we will be happy to answer them.
Thanks
Admin Deags reply earlier in this thread
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Senna and Skid.... Do I really have to go and put my headmistress uniform on? Look guy's lets take a little breather from this topic please for the sake of the forum.. I for one am very sure that this will be sorted in one way or another... An acceptable solution cannot be given overnight and I know a few months have passed..yes its very frustrating for a lot of you but lets please not let this problem get to either of us.. This is a good forum with some amazing people on it and I for one enjoy it on here... So come on guys make up and shake hands because you really don't want to see me in a skirt with wip in hand!!! Wart
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And this is the important part so batten down the hatches and enjoy the rest of the build admin wrote: We must emphasise that many of the parts issued to date will require finishing to the extent that decals will need to be applied, which is dealt with in later issues.
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Warthog wrote:Senna and Skid....
Do I really have to go and put my headmistress uniform on? Look guy's lets take a little breather from this topic please for the sake of the forum.. I for one am very sure that this will be sorted in one way or another... An acceptable solution cannot be given overnight and I know a few months have passed..yes its very frustrating for a lot of you but lets please not let this problem get to either of us.. This is a good forum with some amazing people on it and I for one enjoy it on here... So come on guys make up and shake hands because you really don't want to see me in a skirt with wip in hand!!!
Wart Can I see you in a skirt??? No seriously, you make a good point. I won't be saying anything else on this thread, I've said what I have to say and thats the end of it. Skiddy - Sorry if I upset or offended you in anyway, sometimes my opinions get the better of me. I hope it gets sorted for all of you, in one way or another. Building the McLaren MP4-23
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Warthog wrote:And this is the important part so battle down the hatches and enjoy the rest of the build admin wrote: We must emphasise that many of the parts issued to date will require finishing to the extent that decals will need to be applied, which is dealt with in later issues.
Thanks
Admin So as I said a while ago.... Maybe we'll get decals to 'cover' the odd-coloured parts...... Let's wait and see. Roy.
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Skiddy wrote:admin wrote:Having spent a considerable amount of time discussing with Kyosho the queries raised by customers on this forum, we have been advised that any colour variances which customers may have experienced are a result of the different types of material used in the production of the MP4-23.
Kyosho worked very closely with McLaren to produce this model and naturally we want to use the best materials possible for the model. We must emphasise that many of the parts issued to date will require finishing to the extent that decals will need to be applied, which is dealt with in later issues.
Therefore, we believe that upon completion of your build, you will be extremely happy with your model but if you continue to have any queries after this time, then we will be happy to answer them.
Thanks
Admin Admin...would you please explain further 'therefore we believe that upon completion of your build, you will be extremely happy with your model' (quote) Why is this ? What exactly is coming our way ? I think some people are reading something into Admin's response that isn't there. There won't be a fix of any sort or any extra goodies to placate us. I think all Admin are alluding to is that we will be happy with the model as it was originally designed, once completed. I expected to be told that there was effectively nothing wrong with the paint finish on the various parts, and I for one can live with that. I do consider myself as a bit of a perfectionist in most things I do, but I don't think the slight differences in the colour/finish will be so noticable as to spoil what will still be an excellent model.
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I personally suspect you are right.
Some time ago I said DeAg won't fix anything, but I recieved a barrage of complaints from others who were 'trusting' that DeAg would sort it.
My suggestion of a simple decal colour fix was only that - a suggestion.
I've long thought that the only fix will be anything you do yourself.
Roy.
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Having read the comments on this subject I do think people are expecting a superb model of the 4/23 with little or no effort.
Anyone who has built a Pocher kit, as I have will know that the Kyosho kit is fabulous in its design and its finish and its attention to detail.
Price wise a Pocher kit today can be anything from £500-1500 and believe me that price is no guarantee of quality and to build one, well its a nightmare. I have looked closely at the coloured parts on the Mclaren and they look fine to me. If people are not happy they should do what modellers have always done over the years 'Fix it'
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Thanks mal my sentiments entirely,just wish I had said that.this is going to drag on and on and I,m signing off on this subject,I,ve had enough.(this is only my opinion) Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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I too have built a few Pocher kits - Alfa Monza and Rolls Sedanca - great when finished but horrible to build.
VERY badly fitting parts, broken parts, missing parts......
Having said that, I'd love another one and HOPEFULLY Humbrol (the current owners of the rights) will see sense and re-release a few again one day.
They still go for daft money on Ebay most of the time and they AREN'T worth it. Mind you, I frequently kick myself for passing up an Alfa Romeo Grand Sport for £300 about 6 months ago. Brand new, still sealed - AAARRRGGHH.
I watch them on Ebay all the time - one day........
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Roy,
Its nice to know others have been through the 'Pain' with Pocher (Alfa 2800 Monza, Bugatti type50, Mercedes, Testerosa. None of these cars were a pleasure to build but by comparison the Mclaren is a delight.
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OMG !!! so of topic who give a rats ass about any other models. We still have a major issue with this one. And as normal Admin sit in silence .. Can they atleast do us the favour in not sugar coating the fact there doing sweet  and say if they have any plans other then we will be happy with the end result. Casue I'm not happy at all !!!!!!!!!
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Yeti-Man wrote:OMG !!! so of topic who give a rats ass about any other models. We still have a major issue with this one. And as normal Admin sit in silence .. Can they atleast do us the favour in not sugar coating the fact there doing sweet and say if they have any plans other then we will be happy with the end result. Casue I'm not happy at all !!!!!!!!! I can appreciate your frustration - I agree, but the 'aside' about Pocher kits was just that - an aside. Having read the comment already posted by Admin, I think you will have a very long wait if you're hoping for something further. I think their last sentence is trying to put the lid on it, at least from their end. I'm actually surprised that this thread hasn't been locked by now as a 'waste of further time'. And no, I'm not being defeatist - just acknowleging (not accepting) that DeAg probably aren't going to do anything more. Roy.
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MAYBE THIS WILL CLOSE IT
[b]SEE YOU IN COURT DEAGOSTINI YOU LYING BUNCH OF TOERAGS
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admin wrote:Having spent a considerable amount of time discussing with Kyosho the queries raised by customers on this forum, we have been advised that any colour variances which customers may have experienced are a result of the different types of material used in the production of the MP4-23.
Kyosho worked very closely with McLaren to produce this model and naturally we want to use the best materials possible for the model. We must emphasise that many of the parts issued to date will require finishing to the extent that decals will need to be applied, which is dealt with in later issues.
Therefore, we believe that upon completion of your build, you will be extremely happy with your model but if you continue to have any queries after this time, then we will be happy to answer them.
Thanks
Admin hmmmm well i have purchased many cars and motorbikes of all different types and descriptions all with different materials used in construction but have never has a multi toned/finished colour. i find it totally unbelivable that they could use that excuse as to the colour difference. i will build my model and wait until the end of the build and should it be a rubbish finish i will take action to recover my losses as i will not accept second best on this, not at £700+
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Borrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrred with this now. See Bobs (Saintsman) comment about the real car at Donnington having two shades of red.
Please admin put an end to this thread like you did with the other one, you have done all you can to appease, so if people don't like it then tough.
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