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I completely agree that this thread is going nowhere, but RUBBISH to the ridiculous comment that the real car is multi-coloured!!!
I've also seen SEVERAL of the real cars, and the finish on them puts Rolls Royce to shame!
They are NOT three shades of red, and a mix of satin and gloss.
They look like wet painted glass!!!
These cars cost MILLIONS to develop and build.
Do you really believe McLaren will then give them a bodge paint job like this kit???
Kyosho have got this kit WRONG.Anyone who goes along with their pathetic excuses is a fool.
HOWEVER, I also know nothing is going to be done about it.
It's just a shame that DeAg don't have the decency to admit it.
Now - END PLEASE????
Roy.
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Joined: 17/03/2010 Posts: 215 Points: 617 Location: Blackburn
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Confused why people want to put an end to this thread. Why is it that people just put up with what there supplied with and dont question the finish or quality. If people dont stand up for there rights then companies like Deag can do what they want. I for one want to keep this thread alive so prospective purchasers of this product know the problems before they decide to spend their money on it. Yes, it is an incredible model but could have been so much more. Ok, Deag have said we will be happy with finished product but is it correct?.
I will finish the model but if i find out the colour or finish is not correct i expect Deag to supply the correct parts to sort the problem.
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i onlky have 1 thing to say and that its like kiddes corner here all i want to see is advice on here not moaning. if you have a problem cantact deaug direct dont act like a big kid. thats my rant finished and i wont even make any other comment now. Paul
Current builds:
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Joined: 27/03/2011 Posts: 47 Points: 124 Location: North wales
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hmmmmm.... Side Pod http://en.wikipedia.org/...ren_MP4-23_side_pod.jpg
another side pod shot http://www.motorsport.co...731174&sz=1&s=2
front wing http://www.motorsport.co...mercedes-mp4-23-front-1
http://www.motorsport.co...731172&sz=1&s=2
so colours seen are dependant upon lighting White balance setting on camera and the angle the image is taken from As I said previously also depends on the viewing distance to the model and how you are going to light it - colours will be different if you use LED's, daylight bulbs or normal spots (but they will be toooo hot.) I have carried on and am more than happy at the moment.
Dave
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i understand the colour depends on lighting but on the actual model its 3 different colours of red despite what light your in.
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how many would have bought the kit if it hadn't been painted?like the vic,the zero,the san fran,san phlip,do I go on?I know I would have,much much better then to plaster all over with decals,mine looks fine and am very happy with it.so please stop the wingeing and whining.god help us,what do the aussies see us now for????confine it for the help line,they are well used to us by now. Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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karl1113 wrote:how many would have bought the kit if it hadn't been painted?like the vic,the zero,the san fran,san phlip,do I go on?I know I would have,much much better then to plaster all over with decals,mine looks fine and am very happy with it.so please stop the wingeing and whining.god help us,what do the aussies see us now for????confine it for the help line,they are well used to us by now. If your happy with it then thats upto you but when I'm spending £680 on a model i want it to be the correct colour of red on this mclaren if not just 1 colour of red not 3 (so far). And if your tired of the "wingeing and whining" and your happy with your car the way it is don't bother reading this discussion or commenting on it. Thanks.
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This post was meant to get an answer from admin regarding a problem with the build and not a thread for members to have a go at each other. Different people have different thoughts about the product supplied. To call people kids for standing up for their rights sums up the brits. All i wanted was an answer to a big problem with the build, to be honest i still aint sure what the problem is. I have seen pics where the wings are a orangey red and body red but all of them are glossy/shiney. I have not got 3 different colours of red but 2, one gloss and the other matt. Someone has posted that that the Japanese build had to gloss the finished wings to solve the problem but my argument is, why should we have to do this. This model was advertised as the winning 2008 car but if if we have to gloss something ourselves it aint as advertised. Yes some people are willing to accept this and are confident enough to take this task on but this model was aimed at the total novice and should be supplied with the correct finish.
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Joined: 24/03/2010 Posts: 57 Points: 179 Location: bedford uk
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andylangtree wrote:This post was meant to get an answer from admin regarding a problem with the build and not a thread for members to have a go at each other. Different people have different thoughts about the product supplied. To call people kids for standing up for their rights sums up the brits. All i wanted was an answer to a big problem with the build, to be honest i still aint sure what the problem is. I have seen pics where the wings are a orangey red and body red but all of them are glossy/shiney. I have not got 3 different colours of red but 2, one gloss and the other matt. Someone has posted that that the Japanese build had to gloss the finished wings to solve the problem but my argument is, why should we have to do this. This model was advertised as the winning 2008 car but if if we have to gloss something ourselves it aint as advertised. Yes some people are willing to accept this and are confident enough to take this task on but this model was aimed at the total novice and should be supplied with the correct finish. well said andy i totally agree with you. i have been building models for 35 years and should i have wanted a model i have to build AND PAINT to get the right colours i would have saved my ££££ and brought a tamiya or a.n.other brand and painted it myself. if the wing just needs glossing why doesnt deagostini buy a stock of the wings have them glossed by an independent and sent to us.problem solved
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Rank: Amateur level 2 Groups: Registered
Joined: 23/06/2012 Posts: 45 Points: 147 Location: Long Ashton
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Well I shall put the cat amongst the pigeons or the Red Bull amongst the Ferrari and say what I feel.
Whilst I am building this kit mainly because I have retired and I wanted to fill some of the time my other hobbies don't.
I would have loved the Aston Martin if it been a road model, but no, a fictional car, (James Bond was not Real) the Zero I considered but did not have enough research material at the time. So, Licensed by McLaren this had to be the one.
I realise you will be all building away and enjoying what you do and getting what you want from the kit. Some want to build it this way, others that way, with that there is nothing wrong, but stand back and look at the kit and ask how much have you spent on marketing, "free gifts" and glossy mags. Then and only then do the cracks appear. Look no further than the silver paint, you are all rightly ladying about wings and side pods, what about the exhausts? not a mention. Wheel nuts?
What about the race and tyres in 2008 on which this model is based?
I could go on at length but your build will be your build and you will see it the way you want, that is the beauty of the build and nor does it make me right!!!
I am not certain that this kit ranks any more than just OK!
I stall still go on building and enjoying and adapting to make it MY model, on completion it will go in a case, and sit in my grandson's bedroom. By that time he will be aged ten and think it the best thing ever or shrug and say Grandad, "You really ought to learn how to make a bloody model, and stop wasting money on glossy mags, just Google it"
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The fact remains, that most the people who want this sorted are not model makers. If I'd been told there was painting to be done I'd not have brought this kit, as I can't spray to the level Id want this model to look, and if I mess it up its me thats got to buy another issue.
I won't ever be happy with this model even when its complete as the colour issue's will always be there.
I want to keep this thread alive so all new customer see that Deagostini are only interested in your hard earned cash, They do not care if its right or wrong. They dont give a rats ass about there customer !!!!
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Yeti, Yeti, Yeti-Man can you comment without profanity, you do tend to loose any value in your arguments. 
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Hi,
Having spent a considerable amount of time discussing with Kyosho the queries raised by customers on this forum, we have been advised that any colour variances which customers may have experienced are a result of the different types of material used in the production of the MP4-23.
Kyosho worked very closely with McLaren to produce this model and naturally we want to use the best materials possible for the model. We must emphasise that many of the parts issued to date will require finishing to the extent that decals will need to be applied, which is dealt with in later issues.
As posted in our original post on July 6th, we believe that upon completion of your build, you will be extremely happy with your model but if you continue to have any queries after this time, then we will be happy to answer them.
Thanks
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